# Pence harangued by cast of Hamilton **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436 "2016-11-19T16:46:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/21 "2016-11-19T18:12:37Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [From the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/11/19/trump-demands-apology-from-hamilton-after-casts-message-to-pence/) > > So now when you go to the theatre you can expect, if your politics are ‘wrong’ to be addressed directly by the cast and rebuked for how you think. A fresh form of abuse by liberals who really have no concept of good manners. Maybe if they do it often enough they can make all those who think differently stay away from the theatre. Hooray! Another victory for the progressives! > > What’s next? How about teachers humiliating the kids of right-wing parents by making them stand up in class and telling them they’re deplorables? Sounds like something the left would love. I must have missed the rebuke. Could you point it out? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/22 "2016-11-19T18:17:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Why on earth would making a political statement during the most overtly political show ever to appear on Broadway be wrong? It’s distracting to the cast and the audience. They are there to perform and see a play. Though in this case, with this cast and that person, I admit I’d be tempted to join in. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/23 "2016-11-19T18:21:22Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > It’s distracting to the cast and the audience. They are there to perform and see a play. Though in this case, with this cast and that person, I admit I’d be tempted to join in. This was after the play during a curtain call. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/24 "2016-11-19T18:22:18Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Though I will admit doing it during a theatrical performance is wrong. It was after the performance, wasn’t it? The cast performed the play. Nothing was disrupted. They didn’t refuse him the service he (or somebody) paid for. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/25 "2016-11-19T18:23:45Z")
I don’t see where’s the “harangue”, either. And besides it was at the curtain call, not in the middle of the performance. A real political leader would use this as an opportunity to respond with something that adds up to “I know you are worried, but believe me, we don’t intend to harm you, you will see the good we’ll do”. But we don’t have a real political leader. Oh well… If the expectation is that dissenters should shut up in meek submission before those who won, well, that’s a stupid expectation. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/26 "2016-11-19T18:25:33Z")
[From all reports, some audience members booed and hollered at Pence, not the cast.](http://www.npr.org/2016/11/19/502687591/hamilton-to-pence-we-are-the-diverse-america-who-are-alarmed) At the very end of the show (and as Pence was leaving) a cast member made a brief and quite civil statement (during which he asked the audience \*\*not \*\*to boo) asking the VP-elect to essentially work on behalf of all Americans. As usually happens when one doesn’t like what one’s being told, that statement probably felt like it went on for several minutes but video shows it being less than a minute even when interrupted by applause. The picture at the link shows Pence had a Secret Service detail and was at no time in danger of having anything but ideas reach him and I expect that going to see \*Hamilton \*he may have been prepared for that to happen. In short, the title of this thread is exaggerated and false. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/27 "2016-11-19T18:25:55Z")
I can’t imagine a more unprofessional reaction to a single member of an audience. Pence was there as a private citizen, seeking entertainment, and bought a ticket like anybody else. The cast could have spoken to him privately after the show. This sets a terrible example. Imagine any politician getting harassed in their private life. Salesmen cursing them out, waiters refusing to serve their food. All because they don’t agree with their politics. That’s not the country we are or ever want to be. Our new President hasn’t even taken office yet. Give the man a chance before you start hanging nooses from trees. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/28 "2016-11-19T18:28:11Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > This was after the play during a curtain call. > [@levdrakon](#): > > It was after the performance, wasn’t it? The cast performed the play. Nothing was disrupted. They didn’t refuse him the service he (or somebody) paid for. I stand corrected. The news reports made it seem like it happened during the play. Yes, after the play is totally fine. As I stated, I’m proud to live in a country where you can criticize the government. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t imagine a more unprofessional reaction to a single member of an audience. Pence was there as a private citizen, seeking entertainment, and bought a ticket like anybody else. > > The cast could have spoken to him privately after the show. > > This sets a terrible example. Imagine any politician getting harassed in their private life. Salesmen cursing them out, waiters refusing to serve their food. All because they don’t agree with their politics. > > That’s not the country we are or ever want to be. See the above. If Pence came into the store I work at and I cussed him out, my ass would be in the street. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/29 "2016-11-19T18:32:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t imagine a more unprofessional reaction to a single member of an audience. Pence was there as a private citizen, seeking entertainment, and bought a ticket like anybody else. > > The cast could have spoken to him privately after the show. > > This sets a terrible example. Imagine any politician getting harassed in their private life. Salesmen cursing them out, waiters refusing to serve their food. All because they don’t agree with their politics. > > That’s not the country we are or ever want to be. Pence is no longer a private citizen. He wasn’t cursed out, he wasn’t denied entrance to the theater. He was accorded far more courtesy and civility than Obama was by the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/30 "2016-11-19T18:37:14Z")
From the Pit thread: > [@Butt-Hurt Trump Takes to Twitter Again (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/19): > > OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That’s a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time _he_ attended a play. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/31 "2016-11-19T18:41:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t imagine a more unprofessional reaction to a single member of an audience. Abraham Lincoln would really, no REALLY, like to argue w/ you on that one. No matter who you are, when you buy a ticket to a public show, in this case a VERY expensive ticket, you agree to be part of something larger than yourself. In certain cases, you can get hurt, your personal items damaged - any number of things can be indemnified against, all b/c you are not going to be a single, private person for the duration of the event. You are an audience member who’s paying for the privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Smythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f04885/32.png) [@Jane\_Smythe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Smythe)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/32 "2016-11-19T18:42:33Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [From the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/11/19/trump-demands-apology-from-hamilton-after-casts-message-to-pence/) > > So now when you go to the theatre you can expect, if your politics are ‘wrong’ to be addressed directly by the cast and rebuked for how you think. A fresh form of abuse by liberals who really have no concept of good manners. Maybe if they do it often enough they can make all those who think differently stay away from the theatre. Hooray! Another victory for the progressives! > > What’s next? How about teachers humiliating the kids of right-wing parents by making them stand up in class and telling them they’re deplorables? Sounds like something the left would love. Oh boo hoo, boo hoo…conservatives treated President Obama with a merciless, often disgusting and racist, continuous stream of disrespect and abuse for 8 years. Trump and his cohorts deserve no less, and, in fact, deserve a lot more. I hope those opposing him make his and Pence’s life a llving hell. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Smythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f04885/32.png) [@Jane\_Smythe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Smythe)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/33 "2016-11-19T18:47:27Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Obama has been dealing with far, far worse with far, far more class than Trump. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/34 "2016-11-19T18:48:50Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > So now when you go to the theatre you can expect, if your politics are ‘wrong’ to be addressed directly by the cast and rebuked for how you think. A fresh form of abuse by liberals who really have no concept of good manners. Conservatives really are wimps, aren’t they? They can’t even listen to a sternly worded lecture without starting to tear up. Meanwhile, they can threaten their political opponents with imprisonment or “second amendment” solutions. And their opponents just shrug it off. You guys need to grow a pair. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/35 "2016-11-19T18:51:32Z")
If the cast had any class they would have ignored Pence’s presence. If the cast doesn’t like my suggestion, they can go back to waiting on tables. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/36 "2016-11-19T18:52:02Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Pence is no longer a private citizen. He wasn’t cursed out, he wasn’t denied entrance to the theater. He was accorded far more courtesy and civility than Obama was by the opposition. When has Obama or any other politician been publicly called out and embarrassed like this? AFAIK it’s never happened before. There’s a huge difference in getting criticized during tv interviews and getting called out in a crowded theatre. They wanted to humiliate a guy still sitting in his seat and surrounded by the entire audience. I’m sure Politicians hear from many upset citizens. But they are more direct one on one conversations. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/37 "2016-11-19T18:52:16Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > In short, the title of this thread is exaggerated and false. They were just following Obama’s example of screaming at some poor guy nonstop for several minutes. Hey, in Trumpistan, truth is whatever falls out of your monkey-lips. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/38 "2016-11-19T18:52:59Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > If the cast had any class they would have ignored Pence’s presence. If the cast doesn’t like my suggestion, they can go back to waiting on tables. Why ignore someone who’s OK with raping the Constitution? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/39 "2016-11-19T19:00:46Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > If the cast had any class they would have ignored Pence’s presence. If the cast doesn’t like my suggestion, they can go back to waiting on tables. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there tell us more Internet Tough Guy! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/40 "2016-11-19T19:01:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > When has Obama or any other politician been publicly called out and embarrassed like this? If you’re embarrassed that someone has to ask you to protect people of all colors, creeds and orientations and you’re already on record as a raging homophobe, perhaps you should stop and engage in a little self reflection. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436.md?page=3)