# Pence harangued by cast of Hamilton **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436 "2016-11-19T16:46:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/41 "2016-11-19T19:03:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > When has Obama or any other politician been publicly called out and embarrassed like this? > > AFAIK it’s never happened before. > > There’s a huge difference in getting criticized during tv interviews and getting called out in a crowded theatre. They wanted to humiliate a guy still sitting in his seat and surrounded by the entire audience. > > I’m sure Politicians hear from many upset citizens. But they are more direct one on one conversations. [Ddamn, are you stupid or just bereft of memory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro)? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/42 "2016-11-19T19:04:15Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > When has Obama or any other politician been publicly called out and embarrassed like this? > > AFAIK it’s never happened before. Obama wanted to play Trump National Golf Course. He was told no. He didn’t tweet about Trump owing him an apology. Click the link to see who made the classy comments on Twitter. I’ll give you one guess. > **[Report: President Obama wasn't allowed to play at Trump National Golf Club](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/president-obama-refused-golf-trump-national)** > > The president had a hard time finding a place to play over Labor Day weekend. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/43 "2016-11-19T19:04:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So discussion is now “spitting in people’s faces”? A: Openly racist Trump administration B: Spitting in the face analogy ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/44 "2016-11-19T19:04:34Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > If the cast had any class they would have ignored Pence’s presence. If the cast doesn’t like my suggestion, they can go back to waiting on tables. It’s odd to me how often class = POC shut up and do as they’re told. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/45 "2016-11-19T19:07:30Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > It’s odd to me how often class = POC shut up and do as they’re told. If that’s POColor, you’re exactly right. Otherwise, “people of class” shut up and don’t interfere when their peers are Instructing The Help. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/46 "2016-11-19T19:10:19Z")
After the play was over, the cast made an extraordinarily calm and civil statement of diversity and inclusion. The message was one of concern, but it was not angry or offensive. Where was the haranguing? Who got cussed out? Can someone show me Pence getting “cussed out”? It was a far more classy move than Trump’s response. “Person honestly sharing concern” = “harassment!” ? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/47 "2016-11-19T19:11:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Ddamn, are you stupid or just bereft of memory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro)? 😕 BOTH parties condemned the heckling and Joe Wilson apologized. > **[Rep. Wilson shouts, 'You lie' to Obama during speech - CNN.com](https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/)** > > A Republican House member shouted, "You lie" during President Obama's health care speech to Congress on Wednesday, and members of both parties condemned the heckling. I haven’t heard any apology from the cast of Hamilton and few people are condemning them. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/48 "2016-11-19T19:15:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > BOTH parties condemned the heckling and Joe Wilson apologized. > [Rep. Wilson shouts, 'You lie' to Obama during speech - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/) > > I haven’t heard any apology from the cast of Hamilton and few people are condemning them. Joe Wilson called Obama a liar. What exactly did the cast say to Mike Pence that was offensive? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/49 "2016-11-19T19:18:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > BOTH parties condemned the heckling and Joe Wilson apologized. > [Rep. Wilson shouts, 'You lie' to Obama during speech - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/) > > I haven’t heard any apology from the cast of Hamilton and few people are condemning them. Explain why what the cast did was equal to what Wilson did. Explain why the cast should not exercise their right to free speech. A right that Trump is very not in favor of. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/50 "2016-11-19T19:18:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > BOTH parties condemned the heckling and Joe Wilson apologized. > [Rep. Wilson shouts, 'You lie' to Obama during speech - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/) > > I haven’t heard any apology from the cast of Hamilton and few people are condemning them. Do you see a difference between: “You lie!” and “We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” he said. “We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/51 "2016-11-19T19:22:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > BOTH parties condemned the heckling and Joe Wilson apologized. > [Rep. Wilson shouts, 'You lie' to Obama during speech - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/joe.wilson/) > > I haven’t heard any apology from the cast of Hamilton and few people are condemning them. Thank you for your reply; I’m sure many are now better able to categorize you. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/52 "2016-11-19T19:27:50Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > “We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” he said. “We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.” And before that, Dixon said when the audience began to jeer Pence: “There’s nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen, nothing to boo.” **Ace** , are you suggesting that the actor should apologize for THAT statement? My take here is that an actor making an unscripted statement is out of the ordinary, but it was hardly offensive. Politicians of all stripes have to deal with people hating them, booing them, and even recognizing that their lives will be threatened by crackpots. This is part of the job. I think Pence dealt with this in a classy way: he was on his way out, stopped to listen to the statement, and continued on. If it hadn’t been for his clown of a boss who decided to take to Twitter about it, there would be no controversy here, just a minor news item. I haven’t seen Pence calling for an apology, has he? Again, this was unusual but in terms of the controversy of the statement, much less offensive than the feedback that politicians inevitably get when they are out in the public. Pence, as much as I disagree with him, has almost certainly been through much, much worse, and dealt with it like a reasonable person ought to. That should be the end of the story. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/53 "2016-11-19T19:30:09Z")
You can categorize me as a guy who thinks professionally paid actors should do their jobs. Save their personal political views for tv interviews or private conversations. Don’t misuse the theatre’s stage for your own agenda. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/54 "2016-11-19T19:33:03Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Do you see a difference between: > > “You lie!” > > and > > “We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” he said. “We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.” Maybe this will help clarify things. On this message board, would you expect both statements (or neither, maybe?) to draw a warning from a moderator? Yes, I am well aware this message board has rules that real life doesn’t, but if you seriously think that the statements are equivalent…than I don’t know what else to say. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/55 "2016-11-19T19:34:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You can categorize me as a guy who thinks professionally paid actors should do their jobs. Save their personal political views for tv interviews or private conversations. > > Don’t misuse the theatre’s stage for your own agenda. Does the job of a politician include listening to his constituents? ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/56 "2016-11-19T19:38:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You can categorize me as a guy who thinks professionally paid actors should do their jobs. Save their personal political views for tv interviews or private conversations. > > Don’t misuse the theatre’s stage for your own agenda. Man, those goalposts are going to get dizzy. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/57 "2016-11-19T19:39:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You can categorize me as a guy who thinks professionally paid actors should do their jobs. Save their personal political views for tv interviews or private conversations. > > Don’t misuse the theatre’s stage for your own agenda. Why? A musical that’s about the founding of our country out from under rule that did not respect the voice of the people, and is about the implementation of the ideals and principles this country was founded seems like the perfect place to remind our newly elected Vice President that we are all counting him to do the same. It was actually a perfect moment for that statement. The musical wasn’t disrupted. It was a beautiful piece of American discourse. Something we should all be proud of, not criticizing. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/58 "2016-11-19T19:41:34Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You can categorize me as a guy who thinks professionally paid actors should do their jobs. Save their personal political views for tv interviews or private conversations. > > Don’t misuse the theatre’s stage for your own agenda. You’re aware that the play has a political agenda, are you not? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/59 "2016-11-19T19:46:22Z")
“Other than that, Guv’nor, how did you enjoy the play?” ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436/60 "2016-11-19T19:47:05Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > And before that, Dixon said when the audience began to jeer Pence: “There’s nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen, nothing to boo.” > > **Ace** , are you suggesting that the actor should apologize for THAT statement? > > My take here is that an actor making an unscripted statement is out of the ordinary, but it was hardly offensive. Politicians of all stripes have to deal with people hating them, booing them, and even recognizing that their lives will be threatened by crackpots. This is part of the job. > > I think Pence dealt with this in a classy way: he was on his way out, stopped to listen to the statement, and continued on. If it hadn’t been for his clown of a boss who decided to take to Twitter about it, there would be no controversy here, just a minor news item. I haven’t seen Pence calling for an apology, has he? > > Again, this was unusual but in terms of the controversy of the statement, much less offensive than the feedback that politicians inevitably get when they are out in the public. Pence, as much as I disagree with him, has almost certainly been through much, much worse, and dealt with it like a reasonable person ought to. That should be the end of the story. It wasn’t actually an unscripted statement - it was written by the show’s creator and the show’s producer, with input from the cast, and delivered by the actor playing Aaron Burr (sir). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pence-harangued-by-cast-of-hamilton/772436.md?page=4)