# Pence's Plane Skids Off Runway **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 28, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901 "2016-10-28T02:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/1 "2016-10-28T02:38:03Z")
[Mike Pence’s Plane skids off La Guardia runway](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/plane-with-mike-pence-aboard-skids-off-la-guardia-runway.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0) No one hurt. It was raining heavily. How long until Trump blames this on Crooked Hillary? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/2 "2016-10-28T03:07:15Z")
The metaphors keep rolling in, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/3 "2016-10-28T03:17:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The metaphors keep rolling in, don’t they? A better metaphor would be that the plane skidded\* off the runway, skidded during the acsent, skidded in the air, skidded on the descent, and skidded to a (hopefully disastrous) stop. ETA: \*if skidded is a word. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/4 "2016-10-28T03:22:27Z")
I feel like the writers for this season of “America” are really going over-board hitting the audience over the head with the overt symbolism. At this rate, next episode is going to have a dead bald eagle fall on Donald Trump’s podium during a speech. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/5 "2016-10-28T03:52:24Z")
So, I guess Sully wasn’t at the helm for this one, right? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/6 "2016-10-28T04:20:18Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I feel like the writers for this season of “America” are really going over-board hitting the audience over the head with the overt symbolism. At this rate, next episode is going to have a dead bald eagle fall on Donald Trump’s podium during a speech. Will this clip do? ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/ZLpVNgQHN2d4Q/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/7 "2016-10-28T04:22:22Z")
There were a lot of lives at risk. Including Pence’s wife and daughter. Very glad there were no injuries. Pence was much calmer than I would have been. [https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/vp-nominee-mike-pence-campaign-plane-skids-laguardia-runway-article-1.2848066?client=ms-android-motorola](https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/vp-nominee-mike-pence-campaign-plane-skids-laguardia-runway-article-1.2848066?client=ms-android-motorola) > [@](#): > > There were 37 people and eight crewmembers on board the chartered 737 as it touched down at 7:25 pm. > [@](#): > > Pence reportedly made his way through the plane to make sure that all the passengers were alright. > > “We can see mud on the front windows,” Pence told reporters in the plane’s press cabin about a minute after the jet came to a rest. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/8 "2016-10-28T06:10:04Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Will this clip do? > > [scared trump GIF](https://media.giphy.com/media/ZLpVNgQHN2d4Q/giphy.gif) I like [this picture](http://gizmodo.com/bald-eagle-gets-trapped-in-car-becomes-perfect-symbol-1787575395). Bald eagle car crash seems about right this election season. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/10 "2016-10-28T10:21:11Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > A better metaphor would be that the plane skidded\* off the runway, skidded during the acsent, skidded in the air, skidded on the descent, and skidded to a (hopefully disastrous) stop. > > ETA: \*if skidded is a word. Yes, in fact “skid” is a term in aviation and “skidded” would in fact be the past tense form. While you _could_ do all the skidding you described it would be considered poor form and very sloppy flying. > [@aceplace57](#): > > There were a lot of lives at risk. Including Pence’s wife and daughter. Very glad there were no injuries. Planes do slide off runways. Usually there are no injuries, or only minor ones. If, as apparently the case here, the slide-off occurred at the end of the runway the plane had slowed down since initial touchdown and the arrestor bed functioned as intended. This is the equivalent of your car sliding off a road and onto the shoulder. Yes, \*potentially \*a bad accident but usually a non-event. I get tired of aviation incidents being over-dramatized. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/11 "2016-10-28T11:07:38Z")
I can tell you from personal experience it’s scary as hell, though. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/12 "2016-10-28T11:24:24Z")
I don’t want to see anyone, even one as despicable as Pence, get hurt. It seems to me that LGA has more than its share of these. Is there something particular about that airport (proximity to water and icing potential?) that makes it more prone to loss of traction on runways? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/13 "2016-10-28T11:43:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t want to see anyone, even one as despicable as Pence, get hurt. It seems to me that LGA has more than its share of these. Is there something particular about that airport (proximity to water and icing potential?) that makes it more prone to loss of traction on runways? It also has relatively short runways (7,000’) without any space to expand; while quite adequate for the medium-range jets today (like the 737), it doesn’t leave much room for error/unanticipated problems. IMHO as always. YMMV. (Would like to hear from LSL Guy or other pilots here on the Dope). ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/14 "2016-10-28T11:53:11Z")
Rachel Maddow (who else?) interviewed a reporter who was on the plane. He said rough landings were commonplace on the Pence plane. He and fellow reporters had routinely joked about which landing would end them. Glad everyone is OK. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/15 "2016-10-28T12:06:32Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I can tell you from personal experience it’s scary as hell, though. Yes, yes it is. A big massive machine that is doing something unanticipated and not desired. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t want to see anyone, even one as despicable as Pence, get hurt. It seems to me that LGA has more than its share of these. Is there something particular about that airport (proximity to water and icing potential?) that makes it more prone to loss of traction on runways? Relatively short runways by modern standards, and flying in inclement weather that leads to slick pavement. Hence the “arrestor beds” which are intended specifically to bring airplanes sliding off the runway to a safe halt. Scary, yes, but the safety features functioned as intended. Fuck Trump for implying this was “grave danger”. It wasn’t. It’s an aviation equivalent of a fender bender at most. But, typical of his scare-mongering. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/16 "2016-10-28T12:13:31Z")
Glad all are okay. But I’m sorry. The jokes/metaphors just write themselves. Turns out the runway conditions were so bad, the pilot wanted to abort the landing. Pence was opposed. Ba-doom-tish.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/17 "2016-10-28T15:12:49Z")
I prefer candidates whose planes don’t crash. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/18 "2016-10-28T15:31:32Z")
How do we know the plane wasn’t rigged to crash? ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/19 "2016-10-28T15:32:13Z")
All joking aside, I’m glad no one was hurt. It’d be disastrous to lose a VP candidate in this manner. > [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > rough landings were commonplace on the Pence plane. He and fellow reporters had routinely joked about which landing would end them. > [@Politico](#): > > For months, reporters traveling aboard Mike Pence’s campaign plane have joked about the hard, bone-shaking landings from small Iowa airports to major metropolitan hubs as the Republican vice presidential candidate has crisscrossed the country. > … > “I was like we’re like halfway over the runway and we haven’t landed,” one passenger said. > [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/mike-pence-plane-skid-runway-230433](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/mike-pence-plane-skid-runway-230433) Why were all the landings so rough? Why didn’t the pilot go around? This seems strange to me. Does the NTSB investigate charter flight incidents? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/20 "2016-10-28T16:10:26Z")
About LGA runway incidents, we may hear more about them because of its high volume traffic (thus more total number of incidents even if the rate is average) and its NYC location (thus more reporting). Of course Pence’s plane ending in the ditch would have been news anywhere. But yes, it’s kind of boxed in (though IIRC nowhere near how Chicago Midway is), it’s subject to foul weather, and though the runways are perfectly cromulent for the aircraft classes flying there, if you land long or hot on a slick surface you have a bad day. The safety provisions did their job and all are safe, that is the best part of this particular tale. But if indeed the Pence plane/crew has a habit of hard landings, I’d look into that if I’m the regulator… or the guy signing the lease checks. THAT would worry me a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901/21 "2016-10-28T23:20:46Z")
> [@quimper](#): > > Why were all the landings so rough? Why didn’t the pilot go around? This seems strange to me. Does the NTSB investigate charter flight incidents? The NTSB investigates EVERY crash of a registered aircraft, and even some of non-registered aircraft (ultralights, hang gliders, base jumpers, etc.) Why didn’t the pilot go around? Dunno. Rough landings? Dunno. I’m sure it will all be looked into. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pences-plane-skids-off-runway/769901.md?page=2)