Penn and Teller Fool Us (season four)

Episode 7!

Ricardo Berdini: Pretty confident in saying that he was using cards that read differently up close as far away (the basic premise is that one word is very fine detail and one very blurry, and when you’re far away, you can read the blurry, but when up close, just the fine line. Like this: https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/04/03/14/einstein.jpg - I don’t think it’s lenticulars. If it was, you’d clearly notice SOMETHING with all the angles.

I’m confident I’ve seen this before with words. When he first raises the Enchantment card, I did a double take because I couldn’t quite read the word, If you freeze frame on it and keep looking away and looking back at the card, (at least for me), you’ll notice your eyes get confused and certain letter start looking ‘wrong’. If you let your eyes kind of go out of focus (think magic eye), you will see that the letters start to look like others. (the first “E” looks like an “F”). I can’t quite make out the word, but it’s clear that if you were up close, you can understand that someone could see a different word. This is obviously why he can’t have anyone stay anything through the trick, or the secret will be blown. Only thing I’m not sure of is what Penn said that should lead to the method.

Edit: It was the performance on AGT that was linked earlier that I’ve seen, although I do think I’ve see it with letters before in person where I’ve been able to see how it works. I think the patter on that one (making Howie unable to read by choosing a gibberish bunch of letters) was far more powerful and entertaining. They take far less care on how they hold the cards; so it’s clear that’s not lenticular. Someone posted this further example using actual words/letters: https://postimg.org/image/8glk7rr8h/ - move closer or farther to the image to see the effect. Or this one https://fiverr-res.cloudinary.com/t_gig_pdf_gallery_view_ver4,q_auto,f_auto/deliveries/52094749/original/just-for-fun_ws_1471293049.pdf

John Markson: Obviously just a stock routine, but I will admit I’m not entirely sure how exactly it’s done, but it’s just a simple vanish, so I’m not entirely interested. More interesting to me is the force on ‘france’. He is holding the plastic bag open in a very unusual and awkward hand position, so I assume that’s relevant. At first I thought his left hand was palming something, but perhaps the secret is that the plastic bag has two ‘compartments’ and during the shake, he adjusts his hands to open the one that is just 'france’s. Decent presentation skills. One thing I didn’t like was the ‘cassette’ FF warble used to scrub on an ‘app’. Takes me out of the conceit that this is really an app.

Onreij Psenicka…: Very quick trick. The trick has one of two methodologies; either the headphones are fed by an assistant who gives unique instructions every performance, or the headphones are fed with instructions on how to figure out which card was selected. I lean towards the latter. I don’t know what exactly Penn was suggesting was the method that was “not right”. The first option that occured to me is that the card is returned to the deck ‘upside down’ and is the only upside down card (something on the face of the cards, suggesting which was upside down), but given Penn controls the card, and could have put it back in either direction. It seems to risky to be a solution.

Glenn Morphew: Nice slight, but just slight. The Ace, I can see an opportunity or two for him to palm the Ace on his right and ‘remove’ it from his pocket (in his hand the whole time). For the two, he’s covering the centre spot on the 3 when he quickly shows it to the audience (a classic trick). The two was probably already put in his pocket with the Ace in the first load. For the 3, it’s a bit too obvious when he loads the 3 back into the pile before mushing it into his leg. He shows the 4-5-6, but the 3 is obviously hidden behind one of the cards; this move is to re-palm the 3 in his right hand. Not sure when he palms the 4; the hand appears empty after the ‘slow’ move. Perhaps when he purports to show just the 5 and 6. When he pulls the 5 from his back pocket, after purportedly putting the 5 and 6 into his right hand, the right hand is empty. He has palmed them both in his left - puts the arm behind him and pretends to retrieve the 5 from his back pocket. He either puts the 6 into his back pocket, or else it’s just sitting behind the 5 and he’s put it into the glass together with the 5. Perhaps I’m being misled and the moves aren’t where I think they are… but I think I’m pretty confident in this one.

P&T: A nice trick I’ve never seen before. I have to assume part of the trick has to do with the stalling Penn does with the porn name patter; presumably while the final reveal paper is prepared? The glass break sounded kind of pre-recorded/fishy, while the effort Teller went through to hammer seemed fake. I assume the jug may be a candy glass jug. I also assume the misdirection of the break is an opportunity to load the final reveal paper into the broken shards. Hidden in the hammer or teller’s gloves perhaps? Not entirely sure.

I’d have to go back and see there was even an opportunity for a deck switch, but I’m pretty sure he had penn shuffle immediately upon putting his card back in. I don’t think there was an opportunity. If this was the secret, I also don’t think he would have asked for clarification of Penn’s guess, because Penn said “if it wasn’t a free choice, you fooled us” and he still needed clarification. I believe that indicates it was a free choice. Doesn’t he also show the deck face up immediately after Penn selects the card?

If it WAS a force, having Allison simply look through the deck and pick the right card seems like a lame reveal. That only seems impressive to me if she is, in fact, seeking out a freely chosen card. As I noted in my post, I believe the headphones instruct her to look for some specific property that only the freely chosen chosen card will have that will differentiate it from the other cards.

Further reply; thanks to the indiegogo link posted earlier in the thread, and various reviews, it seems that the butterfly deck is multi-faceted and has at least three interesting features - two forms of marked deck (that can be used independently), and a “locator” feature to tell where a card is in the deck.

One of the markings is actually on the edge of the deck. I believe the other is hidden in the back artwork and it is suggested you have to do some basic “math” (may simply mean decoding) to decode what card it is.

From looking at the card backs in the videos, I note that in the top-left/bottom-right corner of the card back, there is a 7-petaled flower. The number of loose petals on the card edge(s) adjacent to that flower appears to vary between cards. I’m not certain if this is related to the card-back markings, or if those are just there so that the white edge markings will make sense, and there’s a different code elsewhere on the back.

Apparently it is fairly simple to quickly review the deck and identify a card missing form the deck as well.

None of this exactly explains how Allison finds Penn’s card based on a review of the faces of the cards, unless the headphones broadcast an assistant who has read the markings and is telling her which card to pull. I was previously leaning towards the headphones telling her a method of how to figure the card out, but I’m not sure anything on the face would help Allyson figure that out.

Dennis Watkins: Puts a set of ten cards, Ace to 10 in ascending order, into a wine glass and covers it with a cloth. Has Penn & Teller shuffle a different set of ten cards (face down), and then a lady in the audience is asked to choose a card that will be flipped backwards. He goes back to the wine glass and reveals the original ten cards now match the shuffle order and the correct card is backwards.

I think I know how he did it (the only real mystery being the question of how he flipped the one card, since P&T didn’t see the cards post-shuffle), but the more impressive thing for me was that Penn hid the code words so perfectly that I don’t know what they are. I’m guessing “procedural”?

Jeff McBride: He has two bowls. He fills one with water, sloshes it about, makes it disappear and reappear while moving it around from bowl to bowl.

I don’t think there’s much mystery to this one. It was a good act, and I liked that it was different from the usual, but I was surprised that they gave him a trophy. I feel like they gave it to him more because they haven’t seen the act before, anywhere, rather than that they don’t know what he’s doing.

Kevin Li: Real-time photo manipulation.

His act felt pretty unpolished and his “hipness” was a bit over-the-top. Not bad for a 1 minute act, but he’s going to need to develop more personality to hold a longer show. Strange that Teller seemed on the verge of tears at the end of it. I didn’t think there was much to it, even from a presentation standpoint. Maybe there was more that was edited out?

Steve Marshall: Dice stacking.

I assume that he’s just really doing what he’s doing. Impressive but not necessarily magic? Main take-away: Why is his mouth on the side of his face?

Penn & Teller: They pull a rabbit out of a Constance.

I wonder if they’re out of acts to show on TV in entirety or simply don’t want to show any more on TV, because they need to keep some for their stage show? Cute bit, though.

The password is: two-faced. According to a review on the internet this was a fairly routine trick, but as a non-expert I was pretty impressed.

Apparently McBride is famous, and there was some speculation that he got an “honorary” trophy. I found the whole routine pretty boring, but again as a non-expert it was hard for me to determine how difficult it was.

Was okay, I guess.

Really liked this one, have no idea how he did it, especially the precariously stacked half-dice.

One more thought about Steve Marshall: I suspect that 90% of the time a male is asked to pick a color he picks blue, so when the audience member actually said green it threw off the reveal of the blue die. And Marshall really didn’t have a very good response for getting past that awkward moment.

Everything’s just rotated around the back of the cup. New items come in and try to go to the back and come up against the things that were in there earlier.

These ladies do some impressive things:

They must have given McBride the honorary FU. They didn’t have anything to reveal about his act because there was nothing to it. I kept waiting for something to happen.

I really liked Kevin Li’s performance. It was well done, a new twist on cards. Not a fooler but still entertaining.

Steve Marshall was very good. Another trick where there’s nothing to reveal.

The first guy did his act well. I don’t know how he managed the flipped card either. I would have been really impressed if the suits were switched on the flipped card.

Dennis Watkins: I liked this trick. Immediately I was susipcious when he got the spectator to pick a card since it looked like the 3 of diamonds but he pulls out the four of diamonds. So everything is forced from the the beginning as the clubs are two-faced - we never see the back of them when he lays them down - and he simply rotated the glass. Now how he properly gets the diamonds in the right order I am not sure but I suspect maybe he does a switch when he walks away from P&T.
Jeff McBride: very theatric act that I enjoyed, also it looks like his magic teacher just died as well in August. As for the trick, I think Penn said it best that it is just an illusion and no gimmicks. The bowls are probably a little deeper than we think and when he pours the water between them, it looks like he is pouring it all out, but isn’t so for the first bit, both bowls have water. Then empties the bowl in his right hand (his perspective) and when he places the bowls on top of each other, that’s how he gets the rest of the water to that bowl. It is just simple manipulation of the bowls, no real magical secrets beyond that. It’s a neat act and I think they were fooled by it out of respect.

Kevin Li: I didn’t like this at all, but I guess something really spoke to Teller. What it is, I dunno. Anyway the raising card is thread. The torn and restored card looks like some effect I’ve seen before that you can probably buy from any magic shop (actually I looked it up, you can buy his version for $30). The 5k card effect is easy, just have a movable background. Also I thought the hair was done by a similar effect, but watching it in slo-mo you can just see him flip it around. As for the spinning one, likely just a little device or something. Overall, maybe this places better on instagram (which it appears he is active on) and not so much a stage show.

Steve Marshall: ahahahahaha I wasn’t expecting the cups and balls routine to show up although that explains why one hand is always awkwardly below the table at some points. Regardless, I don’t think there is much magic in the dice stacking beyond skill. A quick glance around youtube shows me that it is a thing that people do so it’s just a lot of practice.

P&T: the same trick they did on Jimmy Fallon a while back, but with an audience member. No real explanation needed.

I’ll have to look again to check but I don’t think we saw the order of the cards after P&T shuffled so he could just switch the cards to match the order of the two-faced cards in the glass. He’s very clumsy doing the rotation of the glass. You’re probably right about the force on the flipped card. If that’s the case he could have switched the suits of the flipped cards to make it a better trick.

Reviewing in freeze frame and slo-mo:

You can see the bottom card when Teller hands the deck back–it is the five of diamonds (the same as when he puts them into the glass). That could have just been happenstance, though, because he makes a move that could be hiding a switch as he turns away.

When the spectator chooses the card, his finger is next to the four, and he does actually pull out the four. It looks odd because he is removing it from the back and from our perspective it initially looks like he is grabbing the three (which is in front of the four). I am guessing that it is just a lazy force, since he hovers in that area for a beat waiting for the selection to be called.

I think he was going for humor, but it took me out of the trick too. The cassette sounds in an ‘app’ make it feel like ‘this is a dude being silly on stage’ and reminds me that it’s just a trick instead of something really happening.

The jug has to be some kind of stage/safety glass, because having a nervous audience member reaching into sharp glass shards is way too risky for them to do. I’m pretty sure they’ve mentioned that one of their ‘rules’ is that they don’t do tricks that would easily cause a severe injury from a mistake. Also it can’t be as hard to break as a real jug would be, because if it took a lot of force it would be too easy for the volunteer’s grip on the plastic to slip when Teller hits the jug hard, especially if her palms get sweaty from lights and nervousness.

I don’t have anything to add to this week’s rundown, but I’m bored so I felt like replying.

I burst out laughing halfway during Jeff McBride’s act because it just seemed like he was pouring water from one bowl to another and then drinking it. I thought it would have been funny if it just ended there. I wasn’t really impressed but it’s obvious P&T has great respect for the man, so I get it. I was kind of hoping the final reveal would be that both bowls were filled to capacity, but emptying them didn’t have the same impact to me. I also laughed pretty hard when Alyson comes out and says “I just want to know where the f*ck the water came from!” Felt like an uncharacteristic ad-lib from her.

Kevin Li’s act seemed pretty simplistic and unpolished, but the fact that Teller was so touched by his story really touched me. There is one shot where Penn is explaining this and it cuts to Alyson and her face is beaming and she just looks so beautiful that it triggered an emotional response in me.

So I think my takeaway from this week’s episode is that I’m in love with Alyson Hannigan.

That wasn’t my first thought…

If only they could afford to get her another outfit.

I assume that’s so the filming order and airing order of magicians don’t have to match. It would be weird if her outfit changed three times during a single episode.

You’ll note, for example, that Penn & Teller are also wearing the same outfits through the whole season. They’re both wearing dark gray suits with a large square pattern. Penn is wearing a purple tie and Teller a turquoise.

A Fool Us update from the upcoming Penn’s Sunday School.

Dennis Watkins: Penn mentioned that classic tricks don’t fool him, but he loves when they are done perfectly. Also apparently him and Piff want to do a version of this.
Jeff McBride: Penn mentions that Teller said that there is one moment in the trick that he doesn’t know how it is done, so in Penn’s words, it was a “righteous fool”.

Kevin Li: Penn says Teller really, really loved him. It’s because Teller felt like that at that age - Kevin is 19 - and that really spoke to him.

Steve Marshall: Penn loves dice stacking, Teller hates it. Penn wanted to put dice stacking in the show at one point, Teller said no fucking way.

P&T: Penn again mentions that the audience is not pre-selected and that they stop taping to get the microphones on them. However, for this trick they needed a child and as they do not allow children into the taping, they did have to bring her in just for this trick. However, she was not coached at all.

Has anyone seen the P&T show recently? Penn was talking about this trick involving children that apparently only children can do. I’m curious what it is. Also there are 5 or 6 episodes left this season.

Doesn’t surprise me. Dice-stacking is basically just tiny juggling.

Was anyone else kinda creeped out by Jeff McBride?

Just when they announced his name, because I have a cousin by that name. (Wasn’t him, though.)

Yeah, and Jonathan Ross always wore the same outfit every time when he was hosting, for the reason you state (they mix and match performers for each episode), yet nobody ever made any comment about that - while last season people also wondered why Alyson wore the same dress for every episode…

Dennis Watkins’ trick was not too astounding. Clearly he did a switch when he turned away from P&T, and Penn’s shuffle was completely superfluous. The flipped card was a nice little twist, but still any number of ways he might have pulled it off. The reveal, though – jeez. We all knew what was going to happen, and he took forever to show each. card. one. by. one. Yawn.

I kind of liked Kevin Li’s bit. Basically just a few old standard card manipulations, but with photos instead of card faces. That put enough of a spin on it for me to make it worth watching. I was actually touched by the effect it had on Teller.

With McBride’s water bowls, I think there was always less water from the start than he wanted us to think. Seeing a bit of water sloshing over the sides was a convincing enough illusion to make it look like a “full” bowl of water, and from certain angles the bowls looked empty with a little bit of water still there. And ultimately, he did just drink it all. Still, the trick was nicely presented, and I enjoyed it. Not sure which part fooled P&T, though.

Steve Marshall’s dice stacking was extremely impressive. I had assumed he was doing some cup-and-balls type switcheroos, but it sounds like, no, he was really doing what he claimed to be doing. What an amazing skill! Nothing to really fool anybody, though, so no trophy, but I loved it!