You’re kidding I hope. This link backs none of your claims. More he said/she saids.
But apparently that’s how our great legal system works now. Hey bout that OJ, dude he was innocent, ignore the truckloads of actual hard evidence.
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Who or what, in your mind, is the person and who/what is the cancer? How does allowing the kids to transfer kill anything? There is not one person here who believes that should 100% of the current roster leave the school, that the school won’t have more recruits this year, or next year, or 5 years down the line. Nothing’s being killed
You’re looking at this the wrong way. The punishment isn’t to hold people accountable where its not deserved, its to remove the benefits that Penn State never should have gotten in the first place.
If you buy a stolen item unknowingly, you’ve profited from that item. If it is later exposed that the item was stolen, you have to give it back even if you may not be compensated for it. Penn State has been getting money, recruits, and influence owing to its football program and those in charge of it. Now we know all of that should not have happened in the first place. Removing that isn’t an attack on those who are at the school now, its an attempt to return balance to a program that never should have gotten ahead
I don’t understand why you think this is a collective punishment on…which students? If you’re talking about the ones associated with the football program, all of them are there because of the undue advantage Penn State has enjoyed. They may not be responsible, but now that they know they are playing with ill-gotten gains, they should be big enough to vacate any benefits they receive. Hurting the PSU football program is perfectly fine
Anyways, you guys are lucky. Over here on the local sports talk, the DJs were wondering why, if the NCAA acknowledged the scandal reached back to 1998, why did they only fine PSU $60 million? The school’s endowment is worth somewhere between $1.5-$1.8 BILLION, with a B. $60 is one year’s worth and is a drop in the bucket. The local DJs were saying that all revenue from 1998 to 2011 should have been taken from the school.
Even with these penalties, which I thought were large and substantive, PSU is apparently still not banned from TV, still allowed to recruit, and will have a smaller, weaker class for a few years but by the end of the decade still probably be doing fine.
Yeah, what was it, 8 individuals all colluding? Obvious Ohio St. fans.
Is that the sum total of YOUR argument (whatever that even is)? “She said it, it must be true!”
OK…
No, I’m saying someone being convicted based ONLY on testimony of a handful of people (who were allowed to talk together beforehand, hey no corroboration of stories possible there) is not “proof beyond any reasonable doubt.”
What makes the punishment great is allowing players to transfer if they want with no lose of eligibility. It lets current players not be punished and kills the program for almost a decade.
No. There is plenty of supporting evidence that corroborates her story.
Now, go back to defending the child rapist. That was more fun.
Jerry, how did you get computer access?
That’s what most human beings would do even though we’ve heard a lot of nonsense to the contrary in this case. What kind of person hears that a child has been abused in their workplace, reports it to their boss, and just lets the whole thing drop without going to the police or even asking if the police are involved?
It wasn’t a handful of people. Eight people said he abused them and many other people tesified they either saw incidents of abuse at one time or another or witnessed contemporary evidence that supported those stories.
No, they weren’t.
Fortunately a jury disagreed. Maybe we can go back to making implausible excuses for Joe Paterno, who only enabled the raping of children, rather than the guy who actually did it?
/semi-nervously awaits some of the SA arguments to appear
Take a paper towel roll and …
But that’s precisely what the NCAA sanctions do, hold people accountable where it’s not deserved. Who do you think will suffer most from these sanctions? Paterno (dead), Sandusky (prison for life), the administration (fired, under investigation), the rest of the football program who is asking WTF? That may not be what the punished was designed for, but it’s the practical effect the punishment will have.
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Who or what, in your mind, is the person and who/what is the cancer? How does allowing the kids to transfer kill anything? There is not one person here who believes that should 100% of the current roster leave the school, that the school won’t have more recruits this year, or next year, or 5 years down the line. Nothing’s being killed.
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But all of the talent will leave. And great, what we have left is a TE who hasn’t caught a pass since 8th grade and a QB who played RB in JC.
I think (it’s admittedly a little hard to follow) that he is talking about Paterno, and alluding to his “conviction” in the Freeh report. He’s still wrong, of course, but less wrong than he might otherwise be.
No, he’s talking about Sandusky, as unbelievable as that is.
So what?
I mean, they’ve been making money by riding on the back of the football program for years. You hitch your wagon to someone else’s horse, you take your chances that it’ll follow the road you want it to go down.
That’s all part of the risk of business.
Nah, look at posts #98 and 105 again - he’s clearly arguing against the case against Sandusky.
Ugh. Well, there goes a little more of my faith in humanity.
Besides which, they aren’t going to lose that much business. Penn State didn’t get the death penalty. There are still going to be tens of thousands of fans in State College every home game. Yes, it might be a bit diminished, but it won’t be gone completely.
The incentives are being a decent human being, avoiding public scorn, keeping your job, and avoiding possible jail time. I don’t think this penalty, or the fine really matter much to a guy like McQueary. A guy, who despite doing the wrong thing, still has a job AFAIK, and will not directly suffer at all as a result of the NCAA’s actions.
That fact that people keep trying to pretend this is a deterrent instead of just feel-good vengeance is really kinda funny to me. Just own it.
Neither of these are a particularly apt analogy because the criminal and/or bad conduct at Enron and NASA was sufficiently related to the work product they created, not just being bad people. If the leaders at Enron were running a human trafficking operation on the side, and others there didn’t turn them in, do you think government should shut Enron, the company, down because their “culture” is bad? What about if the executive board covered up a murder? The idea to shut down the company wouldn’t even merit serious discussion. Was Union Carbide shut down after the Bhopal disaster/coverup? Did people suggest shutting down Ford because of the Pinto design? Of course not.
That was just rationalizing. The reality is a near majority of people do not report abuse. These people come up with all sorts of reasons and rationales (eg. fear, family pressure, etc.). Most of these people do not have a football team to blame, yet they rationalize in the same manner. The reality is people have a hard time stepping up a doing the right thing for a variety of reasons. Even mandatory reporters like doctors often don’t report abuse. How do you explain that? Are they all bad people stuck in a “rotten culture”? Or maybe the situation is much more complicated than that.
Honestly though, the worst part to me is this nonsensical vacation of wins. I get the point is to hurt Paterno, but Paterno didn’t actually win those games, the players did. They suffered concussions, broken legs, and torn ligaments to pile up those wins. These are guys whose brains were likely damaged to a point some of them will not even remember playing these games in a few decades, yet it’s okay to demean their sacrifices in order to try to make Paterno invisible? Complete bullshit. And more importantly, not even remotely in the NCAA’s purview.
And if there are no sanctions, it leaves an out for every future offender to simply fire a fall guy and then claim that the incident’s been taken care of and it won’t happen again. Penn State’s not unique in having an athletic program whose influence is way out of proportion with its academic mission, and it’s just dumb luck that Sandusky coached there instead of Texas (sorry, HH) or Miami or Ohio State. The fact that this situation could have happened at any number of schools is why the NCAA had to do something. And you noted before that the sanctions are going to have less of an impact on the players and the community than any of the other proposed courses of action.
Well, yeah, it sucks to be a fan of Penn State right now. Oh well.