# Penn & Teller: Fool Us, US run on CW **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 7, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015 "2014-08-07T07:25:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/321 "2015-08-12T16:58:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I could do with a few less card tricks. I have to wonder about how well card tricks do in a Vegas theater, which is where they’ll be appearing if they fool P&T. Card tricks are better close up rather than in a large theater. Of course, just because they do a card trick for TV it doesn’t mean they have to do one for the live show. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/322 "2015-08-12T17:27:31Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > It seems like a lot of the current performers are Vegas magicians. Since the show is shot in Vegas (or am I mistaken about that?) this makes sense, and explains why there are so many professionals available for the show. Yes, it’s filmed in the Penn & Teller theater at the Rio. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/323 "2015-08-12T17:34:33Z")
Magic fans, [Deceptive Practice: The Mysteries and Mentors of Ricky Jay](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2654360/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_3) is available on Netflix. Fascinating look at his life, and great insight into the mind of a magician. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/324 "2015-08-12T18:09:38Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Magic fans, [Deceptive Practice: The Mysteries and Mentors of Ricky Jay](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2654360/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_3) is available on Netflix. Fascinating look at his life, and great insight into the mind of a magician. It’s really good, as is the one about the Amazing Randi, which is called An Honest Liar. Also on Netflix. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/325 "2015-08-12T18:18:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It’s really good, as is the one about the Amazing Randi, which is called An Honest Liar. Also on Netflix. Tx, An Honest Liar is on my list, didn’t want to recommend it without seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/326 "2015-08-12T19:00:16Z")
I’ve seen them both. They’re both good. The one about Randi turns out to be about more than just magic and skepticism. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/327 "2015-08-12T20:58:58Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I’ve seen them both. They’re both good. The one about Randi turns out to be about more than just magic and skepticism. Yeah, I liked a lot about it. I knew about the deal with his partner in advance, but it was still a really interesting part of the movie. I’m glad they told us at the end that Randi gave them permission to use all the tapes, as it shows him asking for a certain portion to not be used. He obviously decided to go with the whole truth. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/328 "2015-08-12T21:25:17Z")
I rewatched the segment with Jen online. When she fans the cards to see which she has, they are in a different order than when she spread them on the table. However, all she has to do is ID which half he has and swap that half for a known order. Also, when he’s counting out, she’s not looking in that direction, she is looking upwards and away. She’d need some great peripheral vision and some fairly distinct markings to make them out. I think it unlikely. > [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, I like this version. I really do. But IMHO, it lacks “something” from the original British version. “Edgier” might be the right term. I’m not sure what it is. I don’t remember Penn fawning over the contestants like he’s doing now. I also got the impression that in the UK version, all of the performers weren’t professional magicians like these seem to be. I don’t know why that matters to me, but it does. The US is larger and more populated than the UK, and they film in Vegas now, which makes it a hot spot for performers trying to make a living at it. But most of the performers in the UK version were trying to make a living at it, unless they were still in school. > [@davidm](#): > > No _obvious_ pattern is not the same as no pattern. Duh, that’s why I added the qualifier. My point was if it’s an algorithm, it’s not a simple one of red 2, black 5, red 7, red Q, black 6, etc. I do think it’s selected to look random rather than actually being random. > [@](#): > > I wasn’t even thinking about a second box. My point was simply that they had all of the time before he entered the curtain to do the switch. If it had been him in the box at the end then he would have had to get in it in the short amount of time between when he last poked his head out of the curtain and the curtain was dropped. That would have been much more impressive, but perhaps undoable. That is true, all the time he’s standing up front and retrieving the handkerchief, and while he’s sticking his head out the curtain, that is all time the switch could be performed using just one box. > [@davidm](#): > > I have to wonder about how well card tricks do in a Vegas theater, which is where they’ll be appearing if they fool P&T. Card tricks are better close up rather than in a large theater. The same way they do them on this show, with big TV screens and cameras to show close up stuff? Because they film in the Penn and Teller theater, the same location Penn and Teller do their show. Note that some of Penn and Teller’s tricks require verification of small details as well. > [@](#): > > Of course, just because they do a card trick for TV it doesn’t mean they have to do one for the live show. Of course not, but some of these performers are specialists. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/329 "2015-08-13T01:48:25Z")
I’m berry excited to hear that there will be more “Penn and TELLLAAAHHHHHHHHHH” (God I hate how he says that) But love the show and love watching it with this thread up ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/330 "2015-08-13T02:02:49Z")
Are there any more this season? ---
**Author:** ![zombywoof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9e8a1a/32.png) [@zombywoof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zombywoof)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/331 "2015-08-13T02:09:22Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Are there any more this season? Two more (at least) per Wikipedia. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/332 "2015-08-13T02:10:30Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Are there any more this season? According to my DISH network guide, next week’s episode is new. ninja’d and trumped ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/333 "2015-08-13T02:18:24Z")
Is the first season available anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![zombywoof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9e8a1a/32.png) [@zombywoof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zombywoof)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/334 "2015-08-13T03:43:20Z")
Jen makes an interesting point about having to adapt her tricks to work with more feminine outfits, just look at the long and shapeless jacket Teller is wearing for the rabbit trick - he could have an entire menagerie of small animals hidden in there. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/335 "2015-08-13T10:27:00Z")
> [@zombywoof](#): > > Jen makes an interesting point about having to adapt her tricks to work with more feminine outfits, just look at the long and shapeless jacket Teller is wearing for the rabbit trick - he could have an entire menagerie of small animals hidden in there. Depending on the woman, she could hide things in her cleavage, or maybe in hollow falsies. 😛 Maybe not wildlife, but silks and cards and such. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/336 "2015-08-13T13:42:55Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Depending on the woman, she could hide things in her cleavage, or maybe in hollow falsies. 😛 Maybe not wildlife, but silks and cards and such. Check out David and Dania and their quick change act from AGT Season 1. She has quite the voluptuous figure when the act starts, she’s quite a bit smaller on top when the act is done. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/337 "2015-08-13T15:07:32Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Check out David and Dania and their quick change act from AGT Season 1. She has quite the voluptuous figure when the act starts, she’s quite a bit smaller on top when the act is done. Someone actually does that? I was joking! ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/338 "2015-08-13T15:12:44Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Someone actually does that? I was joking! I don’t know where to find the NSFW video, but I saw a magic act that only a woman could do where she pulled something out of a place only women have. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/339 "2015-08-13T15:29:37Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I don’t know where to find the NSFW video, but I saw a magic act that only a woman could do where she pulled something out of a place only women have. I think I saw that a number of years ago. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/340 "2015-08-13T15:51:28Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I don’t know where to find the NSFW video, but I saw a magic act that only a woman could do where she pulled something out of a place only women have. I found it. The point of the trick is that she keeps making a small silk appear and disappear, each time after removing another piece of clothing. The idea is that she’s leaving less and less places to hide the silk yet is still able to make it disappear. At the end, she’s totally naked but still manages to make it disappear and then appears to pull it out from between her legs. To anyone in the know it’s obvious what she’s doing, especially given the way she waves her fingers around after each disappearance. Here’s a link: [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cc_1330997591) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015.md?page=18)