# Penn & Teller: Fool Us, US run on CW **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 7, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015 "2014-08-07T07:25:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/441 "2015-08-20T21:01:19Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The guy on Penn & Teller may have thought that was too obvious, but it would have been better to go for that rather than to never show the face at the beginning. I will have to watch the ad again, he was quick and I agree that the times didn’t quite match the hand placement. But the guy on the show did show the face once. He had Simon adjust the stem blind, then showed him and us the time set. Our are you saying he should have displayed the face before setting it to suggest the time actually changed? Yes, that would have been a better effect. Maybe he thought it would be too obvious if the hands don’t actually change position. > [@davidm](#): > > Okay, it may be a matter of very tight camera work, or maybe even cropping of the video. Right before it vanishes, the camera tilts down so that there is space between his hands and the bottom of the screen, presumably to eliminate any possibility of him simply dropping the bottle. Then he brings his hands together and the bottle “vanishes”. At this point we know (or at least think) that the bottle is pointing straight back with the top gripped in his right hand. Then he flips his left hand to reveal the deck. > > When he flips the hand there is a brief moment when there is no space between it and the bottom of the video frame. Maybe at that point he drops the bottle. Maybe it’s plastic or he drops it onto a pillow. This would require a number of takes to get it perfect or cropping the video exactly right, or maybe both. I think this is right. If you watch when he brings his left hand onto screen, it’s already cupped slightly, and he fidgits his gripping of the bottom of the bottle. He’s holding the final deck already. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/442 "2015-08-20T21:16:06Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > … > I think this is right. > > If you watch when he brings his left hand onto screen, it’s already cupped slightly, and he fidgits his gripping of the bottom of the bottle. He’s holding the final deck already. Honestly, I’m open to a different explanation but I think this must be right. I can’t see any other moment in that video when he can invisibly get rid of that bottle, but there is that one brief moment when there is no space below his hands. Barring straight up photo manipulation, he must drop it at that moment. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/443 "2015-08-21T00:49:18Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I can explain every one of his bottle vanish videos that I’ve seen. The explanations may or may not be correct but they can be explained. I’m curious as to what explanation you would give. Post them in his comment section and see if he responds. He also used to be active on magic cafe, a web site for discussing magic. I don’t know if he is still on there. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/444 "2015-08-21T01:21:47Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m curious as to what explanation you would give. Post them in his comment section and see if he responds. > > He also used to be active on magic cafe, a web site for discussing magic. I don’t know if he is still on there. I posted them in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/445 "2015-08-21T03:19:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > . > > I do love this one, too. [Shape of my Heart.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVwJek-fXY)This demonstrates how skilled he is with card manipulation. He’s just great. Man, I could watch that trick all day. Every move is just beautifully done. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/446 "2015-08-21T10:39:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m curious as to what explanation you would give. > … > [@davidm](#): > > I posted them in this thread. I should have included a link to my explanations, sorry. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18613560&postcount=387](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18613560&postcount=387) Where is his forum? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/447 "2015-08-21T13:27:08Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I should have included a link to my explanations, sorry. > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18613560&postcount=387](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18613560&postcount=387) > > Where is his forum? I don’t know if he has one, but he is active on his comment section of Youtube and he used to be active on[Magic Cafe.](http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/index.php) ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/448 "2015-08-21T13:40:46Z")
Penn and Teller doing the same trick that fooled them just last month on [The Today Show](http://www.today.com/popculture/penn-teller-perform-baffling-card-trick-today-t29866). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/449 "2015-08-21T13:52:19Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > Penn and Teller doing the same trick that fooled them just last month on [The Today Show](http://www.today.com/popculture/penn-teller-perform-baffling-card-trick-today-t29866). This is a trick they’ve done in the past. That’s why they were so excited about being fooled by it. The way Kimlat did it ruled out any of the ways that they know to do it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/450 "2015-08-21T13:53:42Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > Penn and Teller doing the same trick that fooled them just last month on [The Today Show](http://www.today.com/popculture/penn-teller-perform-baffling-card-trick-today-t29866). But not nearly as well. You could see Penn sorting the cards. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/451 "2015-08-21T18:29:59Z")
> [@Moe](#): > > Penn and Teller doing the same trick that fooled them just last month on [The Today Show](http://www.today.com/popculture/penn-teller-perform-baffling-card-trick-today-t29866). Have you read the thread? You should go back up and click the link where Penn talks about their Today show trick and how this one still fooled them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/452 "2015-08-21T18:34:31Z")
Which trick is better, folks? Shawn Farquhar’s or Kostya Kimlat’s? These are the two best trick’s I’ve seen on Fool Us. Here are the links: [Kostya Kimlat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFXV6o7cro) [Shawn Farquhar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRpz0zuAGVs) I know they see the deck swap in Farquhar’s trick, but I still think it is the more impressive trick. I still don’t have any idea how he does it and even though Ricky Jay does a trick that is nearly the same, apparently Farquhar developed a method only he knows to do it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/453 "2015-08-21T18:51:21Z")
I think it Kimlat’s because his handling was more complex and done so smoothly. Also, Farquhar’s trick requires a gimmick, he can’t do it with just any box of cards, Kimlat doesn’t need that. However they are both very good, doing somewhat different things, other than my personal tastes there’s no way to objectively rate one higher than the other. ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/454 "2015-08-21T19:16:22Z")
Farquhar’s trick had him (needlessly) making moves in and out of his jacket multiple times which immediately made me suspect a switch, even if I did not see exactly when it happened. With Kimlat, I could not spot any spurious moves. It was that cleanness that made it impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/455 "2015-08-21T19:41:54Z")
I vote for Kimlat. Even knowing how he probably did it, I still can’t see the move. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/456 "2015-08-21T19:42:34Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I think it Kimlat’s because his handling was more complex and done so smoothly. Also, Farquhar’s trick requires a gimmick, he can’t do it with just any box of cards, Kimlat doesn’t need that. However they are both very good, doing somewhat different things, other than my personal tastes there’s no way to objectively rate one higher than the other. You seem like you know how he did it. How did he do it? Spoiler-tag it if you like. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/457 "2015-08-21T19:45:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Which trick is better, folks? Shawn Farquhar’s or Kostya Kimlat’s? These are the two best trick’s I’ve seen on Fool Us. Here are the links: > > [Kostya Kimlat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFXV6o7cro) > > [Shawn Farquhar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRpz0zuAGVs) Kimlat’s trick is the most impressive I’ve seen, but Matthieu Bich still had the best comeback to Penn and Teller’s guess ;). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/458 "2015-08-21T20:14:24Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > You seem like you know how he did it. How did he do it? Spoiler-tag it if you like. Which one? Kimlat’s trick we presume is done through sorting of the cards and keeping card positions for a final maneuver at the end. Farquhar’s I don’t exactly what he did, but he put that card back in the deck after the seal was broken or he has some gimmick to reseal the deck and he put it in before hand. I tend to think we see the original deck at the end, substituted after the seal was broken. ETA: And if he did do the insert after the seal was broken then I would say he could do it with regular playing cards, I was hasty in saying that was not the case since I don’t know exactly what he did. However it might require gimmicking the box even then. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/459 "2015-08-21T20:15:33Z")
Links people. Here’s the one **Tamerlane** mentioned and I agree, excellent comeback. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YjiTAkKhG28/hqdefault.jpg "Mathieu Bich Fooled Penn & Teller - Fool US TV SHOW - with the trick Spreadwave") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjiTAkKhG28) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015/460 "2015-08-21T20:18:38Z")
Also, we haven’t been spoilering reveals in this thread for quite a while, it seems everybody participating has some good knowledge to work with already, and I assume all of these can be looked up online because of the links already posted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/penn-teller-fool-us-us-run-on-cw/695015.md?page=24)