Pennies

Can you explain why you do this? I don’t understand why you don’t use pennies, nickels, and dimes in exactly the same way. This is such a common idea that there must be a reason, but I can’t think of anything positive. The best I can come up with is laziness, and I assume that’s wrong.

Perhaps people like the thrill of going into the bank / coinstar and turning worthless buckets of metal into “real” money?

I get that some people behave this way, but what I don’t understand is the level of hatred for the idea of using coins as money. Maybe it’s a way people show class status, i.e. “I’m not poor! See, I disdain coins!”

They shouldn’t print anything smaller then the $100 bill. But it would have grid of 10000 squares on it. Just cut off as much as you need to make a transaction.

Exactly. Great question. This is the behaviour of Americans that I completely do not understand. I have always counted out change and then topped it up with bills.

$13.40? Oh, here, I have a loonie, a toonie, a quarter, a dime and a nickel. And here’s a $20. And I get a $10 bill back. Why on earth wouldn’t everyone do this?

Oh, we had people here who expressed similar concern and outrage. My coworker’s husband was convinced that “they” would manipulate things so prices would round up instead of down thereby stealing from honest hardworking folk. So when I cleaned the pennies out of my wallet and off the counter at home, I put the stack (maybe 25 cents) on my coworker’s filing cabinet and said, “There, if they rig things to round up 3 times out of 4 instead of twice, and you have 12 transactions a week, that will cover your losses for the next two months.”

The stack of pennies was still sitting there two months later. :stuck_out_tongue:

Even people who say they care about pennies don’t care about pennies.

The only things I buy that I can’t use my debit card for are online, things I pay using a check because I’m going to mail it somewhere, vending machines, payphones and coin-op laundry. Of those last three, none take debit cards and the laundry only takes quarters, so I carry some quarters around with me and keep a stack in my desk at work. Mostly just for the sheer compactness of what I’m carrying; if I wanted a couple bucks in change, I’d rather have eight quarters than three quarters, seven times and eleven nickels.

Okay: so for you, it’s not about coins per se; you avoid cash full stop except when forced (laundromats). Thanks for explaining.

I avoid coins except when forced, and even then I only use quarters. I carry bills of various denominations because most vending machines take them now.

Question seems to come around regularly, with much the same answers each time.

Basically, those in the US are happy with things the way they are and don’t understand why anyone would change, and seem slightly incredulous that all the usual hokey objections never meant anything in any country that did eliminate small coins. Here in Oz we have no 1 or 2 cent coins, and have no $1 and $2 notes, only coins. Works perfectly fine. Indeed the only time questions of the denominations comes up is to ask when the 5c will vanish and the $5 coin will replace the note. That time is coming.

The US half cent coin was discontinued in 1857, after a life of 65 years, when its value had roughly halved. Yet the one cent coin, after 223 years still persists. It has been the lowest value coin for 158 years, during which time its value has dropped by at least of 28 times.

What puzzles the rest of us is why the US is so wedded to lack of progress in coinage when everything else is changing. That is both a rhetorical and straight question. Why?

America is a conservative country in many different ways. Some people that I know still aren’t fully reconciled to the most recent re-design of the paper money.

Actually, I’d love to get rid of the penny, but it’s no big deal to me, I am not willing to petition Congress or bankroll a campaign to do so. Which is why it’s still there. Really it’s no big deal to leave the penny as it is. Such it’d save some bucks, but it’s a pittance.

Those that wanna get rid of it may be a majority but they lack the drive to get rid of it. meanwhile the traditionalist will write zillions of letter and the Zinc industry will provide funding for lobbyists.

In other words, it’s democracy in action.

The equivalent move for the United States would be particularly brilliant because our ten-cent-value coin is actually a unit unto itself: the dime, tenth part of the dollar.

We could eliminate not only pennies and nickels, but cents themselves, in all transactions, not just cash.

I throw pennies in the garbage.

You should throw them on the roof: moss does not like zinc.

[Simpsons]Come back, Zinc! Come back![/Simpsons]

I have two 5 Kopek coins. A Kopek is 1/100 of a Rouble, which itself is about 2 cents/pennies to the dollar in exchange.

Many stores here use the Kopek as part of the price (39.40 - rouble.kopek). Some will drop the remainder; though some will stubbornly want that .0040 to keep the register in balance. (That’s a pit thread for another day - the reaction of many cashiers if you try to break a 1000 rouble bill - about $25 - is like you just ruined their day).

tl;dr: A kopek is a tiny fraction of a cent.

  1. That’s before tax.

  2. How often do people buy exactly one thing?

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Just to ask for clarification to get your point: Are you suggesting the dollar should (analogous to a reverse stock split) be consolidated so that 10 old dollars become a new dollar, and the old dollar becomes a new dime? I don’t quite get the supposed benefit of this. You seem to suggest that this move will eventually be inevitable, but I have two problems with this argument:
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[li]There’s no need for it. Suppose inflation continues at a rate of, on average, 2 % per year. So what? It would mean that a hundred years from now, what is now a dollar in terms of purchasing power would be $7.20. What would be the advantage of calling that sum $0.72, as it would be called under your scheme, rather than $7.20, as it would in the absence of your reform? It’s just a figure, after all.[/li][li]To reach the objective of your scheme in the long run, it would require periodic readjustments to keep up with inflation. Say one reverse split every 50 or 100 years. Is that really worth it?[/li][li][/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

When the dollar is 1/7th what it is now, the penny will be 1/7th what it is now and the dime will be 1/7th what it is now. The penny is already useless, as the thread has agreed. At 1/7th value, the dime will be pretty close to what the penny is currently worth and subsequently useless. Realistically speaking, cents as a whole would be pretty darn near useless by this point, so you might as well just abandon cents entirely and call it $7 rather than $7.00, since the two zeros would be there in the price of everything and, basically, just amount to wasted space.

There’s nothing wrong with getting rid of the cent entirely. In Japan, as mentioned, they only have the yen. There is no partial yen bill nor coin. Their “dollar” is 100 yen.

But 200 years past that, the smallest reasonable denomination will be $10. That will be equivalent to something like a quarter. 400 years from now, the smallest reasonable denomination will be $100. Every price will end with a couple of useless zeros or be filled in with some useless digits that no one really cares about, except the miserliest scrooge, that are just taking up space.

The thing is, we’re currently at the 200 year mark and we really have no intent of getting rid of cents, as a concept. Yes, we can be lazy or say, “Oh, well it’s not a problem for centuries.” But why say that? Why not just deal with the problem? Inflation ain’t stopping. 600 years from now, 800 years from now, 1000 years from now, and continuing on, the lower digits of the currency will become useless. Are we going to write out our prices with a set of 6 trailing zeros for everything? No, we’re going to slide the decimal point to the left because anything else would be stupid.

Every 200 years, like mowing the lawn, we’re going to have to adjust how we write and talk about our money (yes, like a stock split). Because of the delineation between dollars and cents, for another ~200 years we can be lazy and just accept the loss of the cent as a concept. If that’s what we want, then sure, I have no complaint. But I don’t actually see anyone advocating that. I only see people advocating kicking the can down the road, because “hard”.

If people want to retain the concept of “dollars” and “cents” then now is the time to act. By the time this becomes an issue again, when the $1 becomes worth something like the value of a dime, the clear decision will be to kill off cents and to make the dollar the smallest unit of money. Again, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but 200 years after that we’re going to slide the decimal point to the left. 200 years later, we’re going to slide the decimal point to the left. 200 years after that, we’re going to slide the decimal point to the left. For the rest of time, after the death of cents, we’re going to be adjusting the position of the decimal point. There’s no reason not to get into the habit now unless we really don’t like having dollars and cents.

Pennies are nice. You can melt them on the stove, and pour ankle weights out of them.
Got to make sure the melt doesn’t catch on fire, the smoke is highly toxic.

I’d vote to get rid of the penny, the nickle and the dollar bill. For you whiners out there concerned with the horrific prospect of having extra coins in your pocket, get over yourself.

We can solve this easily by combining the goals.

Step one: get rid of penny and the nickel.
Step two: make a dollar coin the same color as the penny (i.e. of the same material), but the size of the nickel so there can be no confusion among reasonable people.*

*I’m assuming blind people are clued-in enough to get the memo ahead of the conversion.

Who could object? Now having $15 in dollar coins, something that would apparently happen routinely to Americans flummoxed by the notion of metal money, wouldn’t be a huge deal. Plus, the zinc industry keeps a substantial portion of its market. Everybody wins!

Chances are that 800 years from now, the dollar as a currency won’t even exist any more, so I doubt there’s much of a point in planning that far ahead. And even if not: What would be wrong with a monetary system where $100 is the lowest practically useful amount of money? There’s plenty of other economies that work just fine with something like this. Your point about your proposed reform that “there’s no reason not to do it” is surely not a sufficient reason to actually do it.