Pennsylvania Upholds Voter ID Law

[Bricker]

@Zakalwe

His utter silence on the Florida registration scandal has been dispositive to me. He doesn’t care about voter fraud per se, he cares about making sure Republicans win.

What do you mean, my utter silence?

I have spoken out against the Florida registration scandal. I said specifically and directly that I was against the actions taken, that I wanted the GOP to immediately fire Strategic Allied Consulting and that the actions taken should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[Bricker]

@Steve_MB

Hypotheticals are worrisome. Actual cases of large-scale fraud? Eh, IOIYAR.

On the contrary, not OK, and I want to see these prosecuted as vigorously as the law permits, as I have said before.

Fortunately, the law permits.

[Bricker]

@China_Guy

But Bob “The Snake” is a legal voter while in prison in Vermont and Maine, and only 9 states permanently restrict felons from ever voting.

Doesn’t it make more sense to have a national voter ID that solves the problem of fake in person voting once and for all? I mean if that’s the point of all these “anti-fraud” actions instead of a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters that skew towards a different party???

It may make more sense, yes.

My only concern there is it may not be within Congress’ enumerated powers. But aside from that quibble, I completely support a national, standardized voter ID.

[Bricker]

@Zakalwe

I personally know a staunch Republican snowbird who proudly claims to have voted twice (in Connecticut and in Florida) for the past 20 years! His illegal votes alone outweigh 500 years worth of Bricker’s all-consuming worry about felons and illegals, but Bricker doesn’t care that my acquaintance votes illegally after all, my acquaintance votes “correctly”.

I would love to report your acquaintance to the proper authorities.

Who is he or she?

[Snowboarder_Bo]

I would like to report them as well.

In fact, I’m curious to know why Zakalwe hasn’t reported them.

[Gangster_Octopus]

What’s more important, making sure folks who cannot vote, don’t or making sure folks who can vote do? This is the trade-off. An ideal system would do both, but quite frankly that just is not possible by its very nature. Anything that makes it more difficult to cast a vote, even if it is for the legitimate reason of suppressing illegal voting, will take out legitimate voters as well.

So what’s more important to you?

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Bricker

On the contrary, not OK, and I want to see these prosecuted as vigorously as the law permits, as I have said before.

Fortunately, the law permits.

Would you also be in favor of an investigation into the group that hired them?

• Did Sproul’s company act in this way on their own, or was there direction from those who hired them? Was the group that hired Sproul’s company unaware of previous serious allegations? If not, why did the group that hired the company tell him to make a name change to the company? What orders were given to Sproul’s company by the group that hired him?

Why were previous allegations of misconduct against Sproul’s company brushed aside? Should these past allegations now be looked at more seriously?

[elucidator]

Seems to me that all voter registrations connected to these people are tainted. We must invalidate their voter registration until such time as they take a Greyhound to their state capitol and swear out detailed affidavits.

It is possible that this may take some time, perhaps those people will not be eligible to vote in the next elections, but the Republican Party is on record as supporting such sacrifices in the name of voter confidence! I have no doubt that they will enthusiastically endorse this proposal, as their civic virtue and commitment to stern adherence to the law is legendary.

[Damuri_Ajashi]

@Bricker

Got it – thanks for the correction.

I’m not so worried about Jim impersonating Joe.

I’m worried about Sven, a non-citizen, registering and voting.

I’m worried about Bob “The Snake,” a convicted felon, registering and voting.

Can’t Joe, Sven and Bob get driver’s licenses?

@Bricker

What do you mean, my utter silence?

I have spoken out against the Florida registration scandal. I said specifically and directly that I was against the actions taken, that I wanted the GOP to immediately fire Strategic Allied Consulting and that the actions taken should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

And they have. now the RNC has no “get out the vote” effort in 5 swing states.

@elucidator

Seems to me that all voter registrations connected to these people are tainted. We must invalidate their voter registration until such time as they take a Greyhound to their state capitol and swear out detailed affidavits.

It is possible that this may take some time, perhaps those people will not be eligible to vote in the next elections, but the Republican Party is on record as supporting such sacrifices in the name of voter confidence! I have no doubt that they will enthusiastically endorse this proposal, as their civic virtue and commitment to stern adherence to the law is legendary.

I think it would be enough to strike them from the voter rolls and put an advertisement in the local paper that if they suspect that they registered through tehse folks, they should go to their nearest county courthouse and check to see if theya re registered and re-register if necessary. Sure its a little bit of trouble but what is a little bit of trouble compared to maintaining voter confidence.

[elucidator]

Mississippi bails out on “voter ID” law effort. DOJ spank! And another one bites the dust…

[Zakalwe]

@Bricker

What do you mean, my utter silence?

Well, if an apology is due, I apologize. I thought I had been watching threads about this subject pretty closely and you had (up until a day or two ago) been conspicous by your absence.

@Bricker

I would love to report your acquaintance to the proper authorities.

@Snowboarder_Bo

In fact, I’m curious to know why Zakalwe hasn’t reported them.

I’ll address these together. There are two reasons. Neither of them really justifies my decision to wuss out, but…

1. Reporting him would cause great anguish amongst a group of people I consider to be as close as family (note, the few times the subject of his voting has come up, they have, to a person, told him to cut it out and that it’s wrong - but that’s different than sending him to jail).

2. I don’t actually believe he does it. I think he probably actually did it once years back (through forgetfullness or possibly even actual malice), but I just can’t imagine him going through the effort anymore. He’s the kind of guy who tells great stories about THE WAR, but you’d be fool to believe half of them.

Now, I could be wrong (about 2 - I know I’m not wrong about 1) and, if so, I guess I’m some sort of accomplice to voter fraud. As things stand, I don’t have a problem looking myself in the mirror.

[Bricker]

@Euphonious_Polemic

Would you also be in favor of an investigation into the group that hired them?

• Did Sproul’s company act in this way on their own, or was there direction from those who hired them? Was the group that hired Sproul’s company unaware of previous serious allegations? If not, why did the group that hired the company tell him to make a name change to the company? What orders were given to Sproul’s company by the group that hired him?

Why were previous allegations of misconduct against Sproul’s company brushed aside? Should these past allegations now be looked at more seriously?

Absolutely. And with a threat of serious jail time in play, I bet anyone involved would give up anything they knew. And I am all for it. This kind of crap has no place in election work.

[Bricker]

@Zakalwe

Well, if an apology is due, I apologize. I thought I had been watching threads about this subject pretty closely and you had (up until a day or two ago) been conspicous by your absence.

You appear to have missed my condemnation post in the Pit thread. As I said above, I have no truck with lawbreakers, and I’m surprised you thought otherwise.

Even among my … er … ardent detractors, the heat I take is typically for ignoring the spirit or morality (as they see the spirit or morality) in favor of the letter of the law. Here, the letter of the law was clearly violated, and I have nothing but contempt for that, and I’m surprised you’d think otherwise.

[Zakalwe]

@Bricker

<snip> I’m surprised you’d think otherwise.

I was surprised. And disappointed. Glad to hear I was wrong.