# People believe men who come out years later about rape but don't believe women. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 19, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184 "2018-10-19T00:53:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/21 "2018-10-21T16:18:33Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Most notably with the recent police state anti-4th amendment judge being nominated, a women came out and accused him of raping her when she was 15 while intoxicated. It immediately became a bumper sticker politics situation where people are throwing out accusations of being a liar and having malicious intentions to ruin his career because she’s a libtard feminist leftist. I’m not sure if this is more of a bias towards women or if it’s just tribalism. If a women accused Obama of raping her I’m pretty sure the right would be all for her, and they would believe her. So it could be either probably a little of both I’d imagine. Just wondering what yalls opinion would be on this, I never thought about it much but it seems like the modern lack of belief for female rape victims is a symptom of a rape culture. Cite that an ant-4th amendment judge was accused of rape. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/22 "2018-10-22T22:40:56Z")
I STILL see people defending the church, and even recently a priest that was at my own parish when I was a kid\* was accused. My own father, who’s so angry about the whole scandal that he’s refused to continue to donate or volunteer anymore, still at first said it was probably just someone making it up. And no, it wasn’t just the Bill Donahues that said, “how DARE you accuse the church!” I still see lots of editorials and letters in my newspaper claiming it’s all a lie, just an attempt to smear the church. ☹ I don’t know about belief necessarily, but when a man comes forward about being assaulted by a female teacher when he was young, he’s often told, “hey, man, you got lucky!” Or, oooh, her? She was HOT!" May not be quite as bad, but it’s pretty messed up. \*Considering that the allegation goes back to when he WAS at our church, I’m terrified at the notion that it was very likely one of my friends. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/23 "2018-10-23T15:36:31Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t know about belief necessarily, but when a man comes forward about being assaulted by a female teacher when he was young, he’s often told, “hey, man, you got lucky!” Or, oooh, her? She was HOT!" > May not be quite as bad, but it’s pretty messed up. It’s exactly as bad. It’s gaslighting, just not from the people doing the original attack. That when the response isn’t “no way”, which also happens. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/24 "2018-10-23T15:37:10Z")
There’s now a man accusing Cory Booker of sexual assault. We’ll see if that develops far enough to test the OP’s hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/25 "2018-10-23T22:36:24Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > There’s now a man accusing Cory Booker of sexual assault. We’ll see if that develops far enough to test the OP’s hypothesis. I don’t believe it’s a concrete situation to test the hypothesis. It’s a low profile man accusing him of sexual assault, I had to google this after you mentioned it to find a couple news articles about it. Ironically there are people like Donald Trump JR, believing the man was sexually assaulted out of spite for Booker’s stance on the kava hearing. So I guess my hypothesis was proven true in your poor example to test it. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/26 "2018-10-23T22:39:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Cite that an ant-4th amendment judge was accused of rape. > **[Brett Kavanaugh | Fourth Amendment and civil liberties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh#Fourth_Amendment_and_civil_liberties)** > > In November 2010, Kavanaugh dissented from the denial of rehearing en banc after the circuit found that attaching a Global Positioning System tracking device to a vehicle violated the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Supreme Court then affirmed the circuit's judgment in United States v. Jones (2012). In February 2016, Kavanaugh dissented when the en banc circuit refused to rehear police officers' rejected claims of qualified immunity for arresting partygoers In Klayman v. ... ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/27 "2018-10-23T23:41:51Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > [Brett Kavanaugh - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh#Fourth_Amendment_and_civil_liberties) She didn’t accuse Kavanaugh of rape. Nobody she named remembered the party so there’s no evidence any of it took place. If such a party existed she didn’t warn her best friend of the danger she claimed she was in. Your premise that nobody believes she was raped is severely damaged by the fact she never made the claim in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184/28 "2018-10-24T14:49:20Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > I don’t believe it’s a concrete situation to test the hypothesis. It’s a low profile man accusing him of sexual assault, I had to google this after you mentioned it to find a couple news articles about it. > > Ironically there are people like Donald Trump JR, believing the man was sexually assaulted out of spite for Booker’s stance on the kava hearing. So I guess my hypothesis was proven true in your poor example to test it. I don’t understand what you mean by “low profile man.” Christine Ford was not a high-profile person, either. Besides which, in what way do you believe profile affects credibility? Certainly the accusation against Booker has gotten almost no press coverage, but what does that say about whether the accuser is being believed? Do you believe him? Why or why not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-believe-men-who-come-out-years-later-about-rape-but-dont-believe-women/823184.md?page=1)