# People "boycotting" New Star Wars Film on Racial Grounds **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295 "2015-10-20T23:32:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/161 "2015-10-25T06:08:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No point engaging with pathetic white supremacist liars. You call me a White supremacist, but my ilk and I will freely admit that East Asians have lower crime, lower psychopathy and higher IQ than whites. It’s about recognizing racial differences, not adhering to some caricatured racial hierarchy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/162 "2015-10-25T06:37:24Z")
“Crypto-facism?” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/163 "2015-10-25T09:50:57Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > You call me a White supremacist, but my ilk and I will freely admit that East Asians have lower crime, lower psychopathy and higher IQ than whites. It’s about recognizing racial differences, not adhering to some caricatured racial hierarchy. It’s not about Asians and never has been; white supremacism has always been about exerting superiority and control over black people, you pathetic lying coward shitheel. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/164 "2015-10-25T10:54:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “Crypto-facism?” I think he’s referring to Lucas referencing Leni Riefenstahl in the medal scene in Ep. IV. Weaksuace, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/165 "2015-10-25T13:15:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No point engaging with pathetic white supremacist liars. Then stop doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/166 "2015-10-25T13:28:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “Crypto-facism?” He’s transformed into Young Dave Lister. > [@](#): > > LISTER: How can I say this without giving offense? You don’t make it 'cos … you’re crap. > YOUNG LISTER: Oh, and how would you know, grandad? You’re too old to receive what we’re trying to transmit! > LISTER: I’m _you_, you dork! > YOUNG LISTER: Too old and too crypto-fascist. > LISTER: Look, will you shut up and listen? I’m trying to make you rich. All you’ve got to do is to go down to the patent office and register this as your invention. (He holds up a tension sheet.) It’s called a “tension sheet.” > RIMMER: Uh-uh, that’s a immoral. That’s Thickie Holden’s invention. > LISTER: Uh-uh, was! > YOUNG LISTER: (Taking the sheet) This is just that stuff they use as packing paper, painted red with “tension sheet” painted on it. > LISTER: I know. > YOUNG LISTER: It’s a piece of crypto-fascist bourgeois crap! > LISTER: It’ll make you a multi-multi-multi-millionaire. > YOUNG LISTER: But I’m not into dosh. I hate money, I loathe possessions – It’s just so… crypto-fascist. > LISTER: Will you stop saying everything’s crypto-fascist? You make me sound like I was a complete git! ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/167 "2015-10-25T19:34:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s not about Asians and never has been; white supremacism has always been about exerting superiority and control over black people, you pathetic lying coward shitheel. Your inability to distinguish race realism from classical White supremacy is amusing. I eagerly await your reply of calling me a “pathetic white supremacist liar”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/168 "2015-10-25T19:38:40Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/169 "2015-10-26T01:25:21Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’m not sure I’m up for lingering close-up shots of Carrie Fisher’s feet. In 1977? I’d’ve been all over it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/170 "2015-10-26T11:47:46Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Your inability to distinguish race realism from classical White supremacy is amusing. > > I eagerly await your reply of calling me a “pathetic white supremacist liar”. I encourage everyone to read this while imagining Comic Book Guy with a Hitler moustache. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/171 "2015-10-26T12:08:26Z")
That does improve it by a lot. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/172 "2015-10-26T16:20:11Z")
Construct, just admit that deep down, all of this is because you’re jealous that black people have girthier penises than you and be done with it :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/173 "2015-10-26T16:55:02Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Construct, just admit that deep down, all of this is because you’re jealous that black people have girthier penises than you and be done with it :rolleyes: You totally made up that word ‘girthier’, didn’t you?? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/174 "2015-10-26T21:57:46Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I encourage everyone to read this while imagining Comic Book Guy with a Hitler moustache. Admittedly, that was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/175 "2015-10-27T14:22:43Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > the stormtroopers are not clone > > the prequels aren’t canon WTF!?!?! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/176 "2015-10-27T14:26:37Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I’m boycotting because JJ Abrams is involved. > > I saw the first film in the theater at age six. After Episode I, and what a fail it was, color me uninterested. Maybe I’ll catch it on cable. My expectations are low but like a heroin addict looking for the euphoria of that first high, I will dutifully watch whatever they throw up on the screen. If Disney can even do a half ass job of it, I will buy the DVDs. If they can explain away the brain fart comments about midichlorians in a satisfactory manner, I will wear a jedi robe for a week. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/177 "2015-10-27T14:46:27Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > A film with a huge target demographic of white males not having any white males in it is undeniably racist. I don’t know how anyone could claim that the people pointing that out are somehow themselves racist for making a valid observation. The fact that other movies in the series have had black guys in them has no bearing on that, as obviously none of those films were making it a point to exclude white males from any major roles. That’s mostly because most males in America are white. I HIGHLY doubt that white males are significantly overrepresented among star wars fans compared to other racial demographics. You know that star wars (like lord of the rings and marvel comic books) is not just for geeks anymore. Heck, its not just for guys anymore. The movies still target mostly male viewers but there are a lot of Asian star wars fans that have been loyal fans for decades without a lot of racial representation in star wars. I expect the first Asian in a star wars movie will be a woman in a skimpy outfit (probably with a light saber). And aren’t luke skywalker and hans solo going to be white? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/178 "2015-10-27T16:15:51Z")
The more I read about this, the more the main issue here seems to be “How dare they treat a black actor as if he were as good as a white one?”. Does that about sum it up? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/179 "2015-10-27T17:32:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That’s mostly because most males in America are white. I HIGHLY doubt that white males are significantly overrepresented among star wars fans compared to other racial demographics. Purely anecdotal, but traditional fandom–the sci-fi convention crowd, f’rinstance–has always been wildly dominated by white males. That’s changing, finally, and thank Juju. That’s most of the reason Vox “I Blow Goats” Day and his Dribbling Puppies are upset enough they’re willing to try to burn down the Hugo awards. So yeah, the group of “people who will go watch a Star Wars movie” is probably not too far off overall nation demographics. But the group of “people who really, really _love_ Star Wars?” Still mostly white, mostly male, and skewing older. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295/180 "2015-10-27T17:55:02Z")
“Fandom” is a relatively small subset of the whole audience for a gigantic, mainstream product like Star Wars. The overwhelming majority of people who have or will buy tickets to SW movies have never been to a convention. Star Wars is just mass-market movies and toys to them, not a “canon,” not a culture, not even a topic for charged discussion. Star Wars hasn’t been “just for geeks” at any time since May 1977. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-boycotting-new-star-wars-film-on-racial-grounds/735295.md?page=10)