Ah, good. It’s been a really long time since I got my license, but I was pretty sure that I was right on that one. 
Kathy
Would that include those that think they are great drivers simply because they follow every rule, no matter how it applies to the current situation, and then proceed to endanger us all by teaching us low-lifes how to drive at 75+ mph?
People who obsess about something like the use or lack of use of a turn signal need to clean up their own acts before telling the rest of the world what to do.
Kathy
Read it again - if there are three or more lanes, you don’t have to turn from the right most lane. But, if you start out in the right most lane, you shall stay next to the curb throughout the turn and end up in the right most lane of the new street. That way, if I am next to you in the middle lane and wish to make a right turn, I know that you (are supposed to) going to turn into that one lane and I can turn into any of the left side lanes.
OTOH, what you quoted had to do with highways and I am not sure we have any highways left down here that have that sort of set up. IE, our highways are really freeways - no lights or stop signs and you change directions by using on and off ramps. However, our city streets have that sort of mulitple turn lane set ups quite often.
Kathy
Re-regoing back to http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs25thru29.htm#turnexamples, if you look at example number 6, it shows a car starting in the rightmost lane and indicates that it can legally turn into any of those three lanes. Presumably, the “turn” is considered over when you no longer block the traffic along the street you started on, and at that point can swing as far as is safe.
This being California and all.
That is a very peculiar double one-way intersection example though. In my Ottawa,Ont jurisdiction, a left turn on red is allowed if both the streets are one-way with the turn pointing you in the proper direction on the second street. This stupid city loves one way streets though, so’s I’m not sure how useful an example we are.
At least I hope that’s legal. I sure have done it a bunch.
I follow every rule because the second I don’t, I get a $200+ ticket. I know exactly how dangerous it is for me to be following the rules and everyone around me not, but until the rules change and the penalties for breaking the rules changes, I have to do what my budget allows (not to mention how you lose your driving privileges after a quite low amount of demerits). It’s a total “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” situation. Maybe the problem isn’t the people who follow the rules but everyone else who isn’t.
I don’t use turn signals because of people like you. It’s funny to see how upset they get after being denied a chance to prevent my lane change.
Um what? Are you serious?
What I would be angry about is the fact that you just did something to raise significantly the probability that I and my two children die.
-FrL-
well, truth be told, I’ve never gotten angry in traffic.* Ooo but my wife, she will curse you out like the motherfucker that you are if you pull that shit on her, for the reasons I gave. And she’ll be right.
*Except, funnily enough, when people don’t signal that their turning when I am in front of them and trying to decide whether its safe to pull into the road or not. For some reason, that’s the one thing that ever makes me mad.
I think the post you quoted is about merging safely, with the signal being a part of that process.
Changing lanes into traffic that is moving at a significant speed difference, and doing so without signaling just to “see how upset they get” is immature and dangerous. Grow up.
There’s nothing stopping the semi from swinging the cab all the way to the right to complete the turn.
Assuming there is an appropriate intersecting highway and/or appropriate lane markings and signs, then you are correct. This is a specific example of a specific exception from the general rule. (CVC 22100(a)(1) and/or (3)). Otherwise, the general rule applies, you cannot turn right from the middle lane, and you may only turn right from the rightmost lane.
When I originally posted about this concept, I was talking about the general rule and not the exceptions. I was talking about people who turn from a right lane to some other lane except the right lane (impliedly, unless a valid exception applies). You are citing an exception.
No. There are plenty of highways all over California that are not freeways. California has significantly more highway miles of road than freeway miles, especially if you don’t consider the multiple freeway lanes as additional “freeway miles.”
See example #2 of that link. That is the general rule. As someone else pointed out, example #6 is a specific exception to the general rule. (CVC 22100(a)(2)). Again, I was talking about people who turn from a right lane to some other lane except the right lane (impliedly, unless a valid exception applies). You are citing an exception.
Ah, I see. Sorry, Kathy. It looks like he’s right.
Ok, I’ll bite. I do not speed, ever. It’s just a thing I have. I come to a complete stop at all stop signs, even at 3 a.m. I am a consistant user of turn signals. How am I doing? Can I call you guys names?
I’d like to know if you ever violate any traffic laws first. When turning left, do you ever turn just a bit too sharp and slightly cut over the center line of the other road near the end of your turn?
Ugh. You’re just terrible at this…
I don’t know what’s worse: that you claim that you are victim of ad hominem attacks (BTW, being called a cunt isn’t an ad hominem. It’s just an plain ole insult) or that you use the ad hominem tu quoque argument yourself.
Use your signal or don’t. Maybe Darwinism will solve the problem for us.
Just wanted to see if he’s a hypocrite… and I’m just messing around.
Get over yourself already. If people didn’t use turn signals as an excuse to sharply accelerate and tailgate the person in front of them to prevent being “cut off” this wouldn’t be an issue at all.
Seriously, see for yourself. Close to 100% of people do this. Next time you’re on the freeway, wait until you see a perfectly safe opportunity to make a lane change. Turn your signal on, and watch in amazement as the person who would end up behind you in that lane accelerates to close the safe gap and prevent the safe lane change.
Chances are, YOU’RE the one endangering your children when someone wants to merge in front of you. Lay off the hyperbole already.
That was a joke, by the way. I don’t use my signal to change lanes because people actively try to prevent lane changes.
I don’t follow what you’re trying to say with this comment.
I (or anyway, my wife) would be correct to be angry at someone who signalled momentarily then moved over without room, and we would be correct to be angry at someone who didn’t signal at all and then moved over without room. Those are both incorrect uses (or non-uses) of the turn signal.
I wouldn’t be particularly amazed. On this very thread we have trustworthy testimony that this happens. I’m still not following the force of your argument here. You said you do something dangerous on the road, and you think it’s funny that this makes the people whom you put into danger angry. I can not see how your comments in the present post are supposed to alleviate the apparently dastardliness of this.
How do you mean? If there’s a safe amount of space, I let them over, and if there’s not, I don’t. How am I putting someone into danger here?
-FrL-
Nope, enough locals from Dopefests around to vouch for me. I admit it’s one of my weird quirks, meticulous obedience to all known traffic laws. However, I’ve got the low insurance, clean record and extra money from not getting pulled over to make it all worth while.
Yet I’m still careful.
and I can kick your ass.
Yes. I do. Because when I was learning to drive, it was impressed upon my impressionable mine that you use the turn signal EVERY TIME and after mumble-ty years of driving that way, my body simply wouldn’t obey if my mind decided it wasn’t necessary.