# People from minority groups are suddenly buying more guns **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 24, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878 "2016-11-24T06:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/1 "2016-11-24T06:55:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Gun store owners told NBC News that since November 8 they’re seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers —and black gun groups are reporting double the normal number of attendees at their meetings since the election. [http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-sales-to-blacks-and-minorities-quadruple-after-trump-win/ar-AAkFPMZ?li](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-sales-to-blacks-and-minorities-quadruple-after-trump-win/ar-AAkFPMZ?li) We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/2 "2016-11-24T07:21:25Z")
Except when cops shoot those minorities just for having guns. And what good will the guns do against the cops, or the boss who won’t hire you, or the governor who doesn’t think potable water for your neighborhood is important? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/3 "2016-11-24T08:17:28Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-sales-to-blacks-and-minorities-quadruple-after-trump-win/ar-AAkFPMZ?li) > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. This is a joke thread, right? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/4 "2016-11-24T08:28:37Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > This is a joke thread, right?: One way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/5 "2016-11-24T08:52:13Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. Having a gun makes you less safe, not more. And it certainly won’t help them survive against a mob or the police, much less the military. It just makes it easier to justify killing them. And no; the government is responsible for our protection, not us. That’s the most important reason it exists at all. We’re simply not capable of defending ourselves as individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/6 "2016-11-24T10:16:52Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. [If history is any indication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act), the fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers will convince conservatives that **we need way more gun control right the hell now**. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/7 "2016-11-24T12:36:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > …the government is responsible for our protection, not us. That’s the most important reason it exists at all. We’re simply not capable of defending ourselves as individuals. Sounds good in theory. But what should I do when the government uses its police powers to take away my inalienable rights instead of protecting them? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/8 "2016-11-24T13:12:41Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. Well, mebee you been using too big words for dem. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/9 "2016-11-24T14:03:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [If history is any indication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act), the fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers will convince conservatives that **we need way more gun control right the hell now**. Yup. If this trend continues, look for “common sense” approaches to gun control suddenly spew forth from the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/10 "2016-11-24T15:01:46Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-sales-to-blacks-and-minorities-quadruple-after-trump-win/ar-AAkFPMZ?li) > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. Maybe it could be explained, then, exactly what the government IS responsible for, if not protection of the people. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/11 "2016-11-24T15:08:46Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > This is a joke thread, right? > > 😕 This is an indication of the liberal bias of this board. There are few other places where a straightforward statement of fact could be considered confusing. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Having a gun makes you less safe, not more. And it certainly won’t help them survive against a mob or the police, much less the military. It just makes it easier to justify killing them. > > And no; the government is responsible for our protection, not us. That’s the most important reason it exists at all. We’re simply not capable of defending ourselves as individuals. Incorrect. Let me introduce you to the Supreme Court decision in _Castle Rock v. Gonzales._ In 1999, Jessica Gonzales of Castle Rock, CO, obtained a restraining order against her estranged husband. He violated the order, and killed their 3 daughters. She sued the town for not enforcing the restraining order. The Court held that (A) she had no basis for suing the town, and (B) that the police are NOT required to protect people. It was a 7-2 decision, with only Stevens and Ginsberg dissenting. > [@](#): > > A benefit is not a protected entitlement if officials have discretion to grant or deny it. See, e.g., Kentucky Dept. of Corrections v. Thompson, 490 U. S. 454, 462–463. It is inappropriate here to defer to the Tenth Circuit’s determination that Colorado law gave respondent a right to police enforcement of the restraining order. > **[04-278.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/04pdf/04-278.pdf)** ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/12 "2016-11-24T15:17:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [If history is any indication](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act), the fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers will convince conservatives that **we need way more gun control right the hell now**. Nope. It’s the liberals who want to “protect” us from the scary black people. This is a couple years old, but it gets the point across very well. > [@](#): > > On Friday, March 1, NRANews announced the addition of Mr. Colion Noir to the team. > > “I am unapologetically a Gun Enthusiast,” Noir says on his Google+ page. “I love shooting, I love guns, and all things gun related.” > > * * * > > The Root is apoplectic, calling the video Scary and Awkward. BET is equally outraged, picking up on the Black Panther issue as well. > **[NRA minority outreach has usual suspects up in arms](https://legalinsurrection.com/2013/03/nra-minority-outreach-has-usual-suspects-up-in-arms/)** > > Hits the mark in bringing on Colion Noir If you look at the Open Carry websites, you’ll find a spirit of diversity and welcome for minorities that liberals can only dream of. ---
**Author:** ![Tread](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Tread](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tread)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/13 "2016-11-24T15:26:38Z")
And this is happening, with our racist laws designed to keep minorities from owning guns. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/14 "2016-11-24T15:48:32Z")
**People from minority groups are suddenly buying more guns** It’s about time. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/15 "2016-11-24T16:15:26Z")
Hard to see how the statements and attitudes expressed in that article are any more reasonable than the often overwrought explanations of people running to buy guns/ammo under Obama. I’d have to say less reasonable actually, since the Democrats do say they want more gun control, most new gun control laws ‘grandfather’ what people already have (giving a direct incentive to buy now what you would have bought eventually anyway, if there’s any chance new restrictions will come to pass), and we only know in retrospect of Obama’s decision not to prioritize gun control when he had majorities in Congress the first two years, and his complete lack of effectiveness on the issue after that. That said I have the same basic attitude toward rushed legal gun shoppers afraid of Obama v those afraid of Trump. It’s their right, and none of my business. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/16 "2016-11-24T16:28:46Z")
I’ve always believed that liberals keep failing to get gun control measures passed largely because they’re so dishonest about what they want and whom they fear. If you’re a white liberal in Manhattan or Boston or D.C. or San Francisco, what are you REALLY afraid of? Simple: you’re afraid of blacks with guns. But you’d rather die than admit that fact. So, you pretend the problem is really Cletus in Arkansas and Bubba in Kentucky. That just convinces Cletus and Bubba that the dadgum liberals DO want to confiscate their hunting rifles, and makes them dig in harder. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/17 "2016-11-24T22:03:01Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Sounds good in theory. But what should I do when the government uses its police powers to take away my inalienable rights instead of protecting them? Make bombs. Then probably die anyway. But guns don’t help. > [@Corry\_El](#): > > Hard to see how the statements and attitudes expressed in that article are any more reasonable than the often overwrought explanations of people running to buy guns/ammo under Obama. Because there was no rational reason to be afraid of Obama, but plenty of rational reasons for non-whites to be afraid of Trump and the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/18 "2016-11-24T22:16:23Z")
Yeah! The blacks and browns and yellows need to hit the streets and start singing “Revolution has come. Time to pick up the gun!” The whites will surely rally behind them. And the blues too. Won’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/19 "2016-11-24T22:52:06Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Yeah! The blacks and browns and yellows need to hit the streets and start singing “Revolution has come. Time to pick up the gun!” > > The whites will surely rally behind them. And the blues too. Won’t they? Well, it worked for the Black Panthe…oh, wait… . ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878/20 "2016-11-25T18:00:15Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-sales-to-blacks-and-minorities-quadruple-after-trump-win/ar-AAkFPMZ?li) > > We conservatives have been trying to get people to understand that **they** – not the government – are responsible for their own protection. The fact that minorities are finally beginning to understand this in significant numbers is the silver lining to the open racism that we’ve been seeing lately. So win-win for the NRA and the gun manufacturers who continue to make billions off the misery of others. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-from-minority-groups-are-suddenly-buying-more-guns/772878.md?page=2)