People in the CDC Quit Smoking Ads

I guess I should provide proof of the claim for over 100 years.

Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.

1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. “Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity” (Dillow, 1981:10).

1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children.

1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. “You can’t do that on Fifth Avenue,” the arresting officer says.

1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: “Business … is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do.”

1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.

1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google.

BTW it was the THIRD REICH that invented the propaganda term PASSIVE SMOKING!

Sir George Godber gave it new life back in 1975 to attack the smokers anew and they also adopted all of hitlers own anti-smoking laws along with even as is todays case the Children for the propaganda emotional based sentiment it would provide…Its for the children is a great piece of government propaganda no matter who is using it or for what ends. Yes I can back that up too.

The first thing to remember is that LIFESTYLE EPIDEMIOLOGY is Perpetual JUNK SCIENCE on its face. They use to include toxicology to prove the statistics as correct but they pretty well dumped that with Jonas Salk and Polio.

Today its used for political agendas providing a constant supply of new junk science to push the next so called public health epidemic. All created out of thin air! Literally!

What they do is LOWER the levels at which a disease entity is identifiable and voila instant EPIDEMIC but only on paper not in reality!

http://easydiagnosis.com/secondopinions/newsletter17.html

Diabetes:

Old Definition: Blood sugar > 140 mg/dl
People under old definition: 11.7 million
New Definition: Blood sugar > 126 mg/dl
People added under new definition: 1.7 million
Percent increase: 15%

The definition was changed in 1997 by the American Diabetes Association and WHO Expert Committee on the Diagnosis and Classification of Diabetes Mellitus.

Hypertension:

High blood pressure is reported as two numbers, systolic or peak pressure and diastolic pressure when heart is at rest) in mm Hg.

Old Definition: cutoff Blood Pressure > 160/100
People under old definition: 38.7 million
New Definition: Blood Pressure > 140/90
People added under new definition: 13.5 million
Percent Increase: 35%

The definition was changed in 1997 by U.S. Joint National Committee on Prevention, Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure.

Prehypertension, a new category created in 2003: blood pressure from 120/80 to 138/89 includes 45 million additional people! If one includes this category, we have a grand total of 97.2 million total numbers of hypertensives and prehypertensives (whatever that is).

High (Total) Cholesterol:

Old Definition: Cholesterol > 240 mg/dl total cholesterol
People under old definition: 49.5 million
New Definition: Cholesterol > 200 mg/dl total cholesterol
People added under new definition: 42.6 million
Percent increase: 86%

The definition was changed in 1998 by U.S. Air Force/Texas Coronary Atherosclerosis Prevention Study.

Overweight:

Body Mass Index (BMI) is defined as the ratio of weight (in kg) to height (in meters) squared and is an inexact measure of body fat, though it supposedly establishes cutoff points of normal weight, overweight, and obesity.

Old definition: BMI > 28 (men), BMI > 27 (women)
People under old definition: 70.6 million
New definition: BMI > 25
People added under new definition: 30.5 million
Percent Increase: 43%

The definition was changed in 1998 by U.S. National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.

“The new definitions ultimately label 75 percent of the adult U.S. population as diseased,” conclude the two researchers.

Epidemiologists Vote to Keep Doing Junk Science
http://www.manhealthissue.com/2007/06/epidemiologists-vote-to-keep-doing-junk-science.html
Epidemiologists Vote to Keep Doing Junk Science

Epidemiology Monitor (October 1997)

An estimated 300 attendees a recent meeting of the American College of
Epidemiology voted approximately 2 to 1 to keep doing junk science!

Specifically, the attending epidemiologists voted against a motion
proposed in an Oxford-style debate that “risk factor” epidemiology is
placing the field of epidemiology at risk of losing its credibility.

Risk factor epidemiology focuses on specific cause-and-effect
relationships–like heavy coffee drinking increases heart attack risk. A
different approach to epidemiology might take a broader
perspective–placing heart attack risk in the context of more than just
one risk factor, including social factors.

Risk factor epidemiology is nothing more than a perpetual junk science machine.

But as NIEHS epidemiologist Marilyn Tseng said “It’s hard to be an
epidemiologist and vote that what most of us are doing is actually harmful
to epidemiology.”

But who really cares about what they’re doing to epidemiology. I thought
it was public health that mattered!

we have seen the “SELECTIVE” blindness disease that
Scientist have practiced over the past ten years. Seems the only color they
see is GREEN BACKS, it’s a very infectious disease that has spread through
the Scientific community with the same speed that any infectious disease
would spread. And has affected the T(thinking) Cells as well as sight.

Seems their eyes see only what their paid to see. To be honest, I feel
after the Agent Orange Ranch Hand Study, and the Slutz and Nutz Implant
Study, they have cast a dark shadow over their profession of being anything
other than traveling professional witnesses for corporate hire with a lack
of moral concern to their obligation of science and truth.

The true “Risk Factor” is a question of ; will they ever be able to earn
back the respect of their profession as an Oath to Science, instead of
corporate paid witnesses with selective vision?
Oh, if this seems way harsh, it’s nothing compared to the damage of peoples
lives that selective blindness has caused!

Lung and Bronchus. Invasive Cancer Incidence Rates and 95% Confidence Intervals by Age and Race and Ethnicity, United States (Table 3.15.1.1M) *†‡

Rates are per 100,000 persons. Rates are per 100,000 persons.

Note the age where LC is found……………OLD AGE group incidence hits the 500/100,000 at age 75-85

AGE it seems is the deciding factor……….

http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/uscs/cancersbyageandrace.aspx?Gender=Male&Count=false&Population=false&DataType=Incidence&RateType=CrudeType&CancerSite=All Cancer Sites Combined&Year=2010&Site=Lung and Bronchus&SurveyInstanceID=1

The rise of a pseudo-scientific links lobby

Every day there seems to be a new study making a link between food, chemicals or lifestyle and ill-health. None of them has any link with reality.

Manufacturing the science to meet the agenda, in black on white. Does anyone still have doubts?

''Bal laughs when asked about the role of scientific evidence in guiding policy decisions. “There was no science on how to do a community intervention on something of this global dimension,” he says. “Where there is no science, you have to go and be venturesome—you can’t use the paucity of science as an excuse to do nothing. We created the science, we did the interventions and then all the scientists came in behind us and analyzed what we did.”

Read under the title :
Tobacco Control: The Long War—When the Evidence Has to Be Created

No. That’s probably a post hoc error. It maybe that smokers are more likely to lose pregnancies very early, before they even know they are pregnant, and the more vulnerable the pregnancy, the more likely they are to lose it (the only explanation I can think of for something like more babies with chromosomal or genetic defects like Down Syndrome being born to women who don’t smoke-- unless that’s a straight-up number, and not a percentage, and so non-smokers have more babies with Down Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis, and curly hair, because there are more of them, so they have more babies overall).

Mr. Davidson, I asked specifically about the CDC ads. If you want to complain about research you think isn’t getting published, maybe you should start another thread.

I guess I have my answer. They are real people; they need a note from a single doctor.

Yeah, I wasn’t actually being serious. :slight_smile: That sounds like a likely explanation to me, too.

You miss the point,they cant prove smoking causes anything in ANYONE or ANYTHING!

Opinions are simply beliefs not proof,the same as correlation is not proof its merely a supposed educated guess but they leave out other variables in those studies like bacterial and viral infections that have been nearly to the end point to cause cancer.

The only other thing proven to cause cell disruption is HIGH DOSE RADIATION!

Yet lower doses can irradicate cancers.

Today they simply state TOBACCO RELATED. Why use the term related because the statement alone means they have no proof to say causes.

With anti-tobacco you must remember the driving force isn’t about health but about control of a habit a few people simply hate. Its the same against the Obese as even there they tried to outlaw and criminalize them as they did smoking:
Mississippi Legislature
2008 Regular Session
House Bill 282
House Calendar | Senate Calendar | Main Menu
Additional Information | All Versions

Current Bill Text: |

Description: Food establishments; prohibit from serving food to any person who is obese.

Background Information:
Disposition: Active
Deadline: General Bill/Constitutional Amendment
Revenue: No
Vote type required: Majority
Effective date: July 1, 2008

History of Actions:
1 01/25 (H) Referred To Public Health and Human Services;Judiciary B

----- Additional Information -----

House Committee: Public Health and Human Services*, Judiciary B

Principal Author: Mayhall
Additional Authors: Read, Shows

Title: AN ACT TO PROHIBIT CERTAIN FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS FROM SERVING FOOD TO ANY PERSON WHO IS OBESE, BASED ON CRITERIA PRESCRIBED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH; TO DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE WRITTEN MATERIALS THAT DESCRIBE AND EXPLAIN THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHETHER A PERSON IS OBESE AND TO PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS; TO DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO MONITOR THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ACT; AND FOR RELATED PURPOSES.

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any stupider in walks the CDC hiring wanna be actors……….

BE SURE TO CLICK ON THE LINK AND SEE THE AD THEY ARE RUNNING

ASIA Latest News & Events

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Office on Smoking and Health seeking individuals to share their story.

May 2nd, 2014

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Office on Smoking and Health is recruiting additional candidates to be considered for an upcoming national education campaign, Tips From Former Smokers (TIPS). The CDC is asking for real people who have had life-changing, smoking-related health problems will be featured. You can be assured that all applications will be treated with dignity, respect, and sensitivity.

Currently seeking ex-smokers who:
•from all backgrounds, and particularly who are of Asian descent.
•have or have had macular degeneration that was linked to cigarette smoking (age 30-65)
•used cigars with cigarettes or used cigarillos or little cigars with or without cigarettes, thinking cigars, cigarillos and little cigars were healthier than cigarettes and developed a serious health condition while smoking (ages 20-60)
•used e-cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to cut back on some cigarettes would be good for your health; and
•despite cutting back, you were later diagnosed with a serious health condition

Individuals should be comfortable sharing their story publicly and be able to articulate how their smoking-related condition changed their life.

If you are interested, have questions or concerns, please send them to CDC representative, Crystal Bruce at jgx6@cdc.gov & put “Recruitment Questions” in the subject line.

http://www.asiaohio.org/2014/05/02/the-centers-for-disease-control-and-preventions-cdc-office-on-smoking-and-health-seeking-individuals-to-share-their-story/

Heres what the ad says

LOOKING FOR REAL PEOPLE TO APPEAR IN ADS ABOUT THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF SMOKING CIGARETTES

…………………………………………
PAYS 2500.00 PLUS TRAVEL EXPENSES IF SELECTED
……………………………………….

We are looking for ex-smokers of any ethnic background who have been diagnosed with these diseases while smoking!

Colorectal cancer age 30-65
Macular Degerneration age 40-65

We are particularly encouraging english speakers of asian descent to consider applying to be part of the AD Campaign.

An ex-smoker who quit at least 6 months ago

willing to submit to background check

Willing to have your Doctor sign a legal statement verifying that smoking caused or contributed to your health condition

Able to travel for filming

Please respond ASAP but no later than May 30th 2014

Mimi Webb Miller Casting

email CDCTips@gmail.com TOLL FREE 855 332 7277

Mr. Davidson, I asked specifically about the CDC ads. If you want to complain about research you think isn’t getting published, maybe you should start another thread.
As far as other research its already published but wont be put on the front page of any media outlet as it destroys the anti-smoking message hands down.

If you cant prove your claims after 100 years and 100s of Billions in phony research you have no leg to stand on. The next time you give to relay for life or the ACS know they make 12 million a year running the quitlines for Big Pharma besides spending millions a year in legal fees out of the same funds they beg for to keep their illegally lobbied for smoking bans on the books to keep up nicotine replacement therapy drugs sales and keep the cash rolling in. yes the ACS,ALA,AHA were all bought off by Big Pharma in 1993 with a 99 million dollar grant to do their anti-tobacco bidding. It started way before that as all 3 of those non-profits were created by Rockefellor at the end of the last prohibitional movements in America.

Federal Support for Anti-Tobacco Advocacy Raises Legal Questions

Grant money supports efforts to enact anti-smoking laws in possible violation of federal law

Among grant recipients is the Missouri Foundation for Health (MFH), a large nonprofit “dedicated to improving the health of the uninsured and underserved” in the Show-Me State.

MFH received nearly $3 million from 2010 to 2012 for its Social Innovation Missouri program, which was created to administer CNCS funds, and helped built coalitions to enact additional restrictions on tobacco use in the state.

It has been a powerful force in that effort, its allies say.

“The Missouri Foundation for Health was seen as a leader in the tobacco prevention and cessation initiative, education, and working with smoke free coalitions,” wrote the Healthcare Foundation of Greater Kansas City in 2012.

The foundation’s and its allies’ work produced tangible results. Missouri still does not have a state-wide indoor smoking ban, but a number of municipalities have instituted such bans since MFH received its federal grant.

While MFH was also aiming for statewide policy changes, legislative victories in general are major benchmarks of the success of its Social Innovation Missouri (SIM) program.

“Measurable outcomes of SIM include … increased healthy policy changes in targeted communities,” according to MFH’s page on the Social Innovation Fund website.

“The intent [of Social Innovation Missouri] is to increase access and support, and encourage tobacco-free policy implementation and tobacco control by engaging the community and fostering policy change in the target population,” the group wrote.

MFH is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit, meaning it can engage in lobbying activities. However, federal law prohibits lobbying organizations from receiving federal funds.

MFH has not reported any lobbying expenditures in the past 10 years, but observers say other laws preclude the type of policy advocacy in which MFH and its subgrantees are engaged.

MFH and all other Social Innovation Fund grantees were required to certify in writing “that no funds received from CNCS have been or will be paid, by or on behalf of the applicant, to any person or agent acting for the applicant, related to activity designed to influence the enactment of legislation, appropriations, administrative action, proposed or pending before the Congress or any State government, State legislature or local legislature or legislative body.”

That language mirrors regulations at CNCS and guidance issued by the White House Office of Management and Budget on the use of federal grants for lobbying or advocacy work.

OMB prohibits the use of such funds for “any attempt to influence the introduction of Federal or State legislation; or the enactment or modification of any pending Federal or State legislation through communication with any member or employee of the Congress or State legislature.”

CNCS general counsel Frank Trinity reminded agency employees in 2007 that they and CNCS grantees “may not attempt to influence legislation…if they are doing so while charging time to a Corporation-supported program…or otherwise performing activities supported by the Corporation.”

Despite these prohibitions, MFH frequently promoted policy advocacy as integral to its Social Innovation Missouri program.

A major goal of the program, according to an MFH solicitation for subgrantees, was “modifying policy language and assisting in navigating bureaucratic hurdles to policy change.”

Subgrantee applicants, the solicitation said, should propose strategies for “advocating for healthy policies so people are encouraged to make healthy choices.”

“Lasting policy changes also have a significant impact on tobacco use and obesity prevention, and are critical components of program,” MFH wrote.

The solicitation was careful to note prohibitions on policy advocacy.

“These funds cannot be used for lobbying activities,” the solicitation noted. Other language in the solicitation suggested there may be some wiggle room on that prohibition: “Rules governing lobbying and advocacy are complex and subject to interpretation.”

The Missouri Foundation for Health did not respond to requests for comment on allegations that it violated those restrictions.

A key guide of MFH’s activities was created by the group Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights, which MFH lists as a “collaborating partner.”

ANR’s 501(c)(4) activist arm calls itself “the leading national lobbying organization dedicated to nonsmokers’ rights” and says it “pursues an action-oriented program of policy and legislation.”

MFH worked with its 501(c)(3) division, the Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights Foundation, contributing $270,000 to the group from 2010 through 2012, according to annual 990 filings.

As part of its support for Social Innovation Missouri, ANR and MFH collaborating partner Trailnet created a “coalition core competencies checklist” laying out all the elements of a successful anti-tobacco coalition.

The checklist features an entire section devoted to “policy advocacy.” Subsections include “campaign planning and strategy,” “understanding of protocol and timing for approaching elected officials,” “creating a policy implementation plan and supporting the policy implementation process,” and “preparing decision-makers for opposition talking points and strategies—neutralizing the opposition’s impact.”

The checklist also featured a single item on restrictions on federally funded policy advocacy: “Understanding definition of ‘lobbying’ and how it relates to your campaign activities.”

MFH explicitly directed its subgrantees to push for the enactment of state and local laws restricting the sale or public use of tobacco products.

“SIM grantees and partners are expected to participate in local and statewide policy advocacy activities that affect their programming goals,” MFH wrote in its solicitation.

Those activities include “promoting program efforts to local media and policymakers.”

The solicitation mentioned “community smoke-free policies” and tax increases on tobacco sales as worthwhile legislative objectives for subgrantees.

Dan Epstein, executive director of the government watchdog group Cause of Action, said his group investigated similar allegations of federally funded lobbying efforts financed by Obamacare and the 2009 stimulus bill.

COA dug into Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) grants through its stimulus-funded Communities Putting Prevention to Work program.

Ostensibly a “preventative health” project, CPPW “laundered money through so-called stealth lobbying coalitions, formed to skirt prohibitions on lobbying by non-profits, in order to promote local laws banning otherwise legal consumer products such as sodas, e-cigarettes, and fast food,” COA wrote in a report on the program.

“We already uncovered multiple organizations around the country that illegally lobbied with federal taxpayer dollars under the Communities Putting Prevention to Work program,” Epstein wrote in an email.

“We also know that entities in Missouri that received CPPW money have been offered federal funds by MFH efforts, so it is no surprise that the unchecked grant money going to MFH could now be used to violate the law again,” he said.

CDC, the report said, “permitted and even encouraged CPPW grantees to violate federal law and use CPPW funds to lobby state and local governments.”

Revelations about federal funding for anti-tobacco lobbying caught the attention of members of Congress and the Department of Health and Human Services’ inspector general.

CDC literature on the CPPW program “appear[s] to authorize, or even encourage, grantees to use grant funds for impermissible lobbying,” wrote inspector general Daniel Levinson.

Sen. Susan Collins (R., Maine) wrote to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to express her concern that “grantees of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), under the direction of official CDC guidance, appear to have used federal funds in attempts to change state and local policies and laws.”

“In response to CDC guidance, several grantees as recently as 2010 have engaged in strategies that, absent an expressed authorization by Congress, appear to violate federal law regarding influencing state and local governments to adopt laws and policies,” Collins wrote.

It is not clear whether CNCS was aware of or concerned about MFH grant language that seemed to encourage subgrantees to engage in policy advocacy. The agency did not respond to a request for comment.

Missouri political observers say MFH’s work is just the most recent use of federal funds for anti-tobacco lobbying in the state.

“In Missouri, many political subdivisions use tax money directly and indirectly to influence the outcome of legislation,” said Carl Bearden, executive director of United for Missouri, a free market group in the state.

“A large majority of the time they are taking positions contrary to the best interest of taxpayers but not the entity itself.”

Bearden said he was not familiar with MFH’s work, but “the use of Social Innovation Fund dollars to support state and local laws against tobacco would certainly be an egregious use of those funds. A use that should be stopped immediately and those responsible be held accountable for it.”

St. Joseph, Mo., is the latest battleground in the state’s tobacco policy debates, and opponents of a proposed indoor smoking ban say they have seen impact of federally funded lobbying efforts in that city.

“Of special concern is the upcoming smoking ban election in St. Joseph,” said Bill Hannegan, director of Keep St. Louis Free, a group that opposes smoking bans, of a proposed ballot initiative to ban smoking in indoor public establishments.

“The illegal use of federal funds there could sway an otherwise close election,” Hannegan said of the April 8 referendum.

One of the groups fighting for that referendum, Clean Air St. Joe, received funds from Social Innovation Missouri, a CASJ spokeswoman told the St. Joseph News-Press.

CASJ is currently asking supporters to contact members of the St. Joseph city council “to remind them only a comprehensive smoke-free ordinance that includes all bars, restaurants and indoor workplaces will protect the health of all workers.”

CASJ works closely with the Heartland Foundation, which is also a SIM subgrantee.

Previous attempts to expose and correct the use of federal funds for policy advocacy have been unsuccessful, said St. Joseph Telegraph editor Mike Bozarth, a former member of the city council.

“Money and time provide obstacles,” he said of efforts to stem the tide of federal lobbying money.

“I told local anti-ban folks they needed money and lawyers to sue over it,” Bozarth said of previous efforts to institute smoking bans with federal assistance. “I don’t see how these violations are allowed to stand. But again, it takes money for lawyers to challenge them.”

Epstein said he does not expect the Obama administration to address these apparent violations without prodding.

“As the IRS targeting scandal reveals, this administration is clearly more concerned about private money going to nonprofit organizations, which have not violated any laws, than organizations who push administration policies while violating federal law with taxpayer dollars,” Epstein wrote.

“The hypocrisy is blatant and taxpayers should demand accountability for these types of violations.”

I could go on and on about this and all the junk science and illegal smoking bans being put on the books these days. But its already falling apart as the world blackmarket in tobacco costs governments 100s of billions each year in lost revenues and enforcement costs yet people still smoke and more are smoking everyday. Stigmatization is the fastest way to get people to what the law told em not to do…Howd Alcohol Prohibition work out or he war on drugs…

Its all massive failures and makes criminals out of normal law abiding citizens. If it were legal the profit motive is gone and you do away with the ills of unlawful use and trafficking.

A new day is rising and it shant be long before we see these idiotic laws repealed and freedom restored back to all of us. If you want references to anything Ive said simple ask.

Moderator Action

This has gotten to be more than a little excessive.

John Davidson, please do not post any further on this topic. If you need a place to vent your opinions, try starting a blog somewhere.

From the SDMB Registration Agreement:

Since the original topic has gotten completely lost in all of this, I am going to close the thread.