# People make me sick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 9, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-make-me-sick/206518 "2003-10-09T18:40:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![superstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f4b2a3/32.png) [@superstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superstar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-make-me-sick/206518/61 "2003-10-10T23:19:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MonkeyMule \* > > * * * > > 10 years old- Start making simple mix tapes off the radio > 12-13- Get first job; Buy cheap turn($80-$120) table. Make more advanced tapes and mixes. Extra cash use to expand collection of Records($5-$20 each) > > My point is that it costs a hell of a lot less to learn how to create hip-hop music then it does to learn the Cello. > > \*\* Okay, I’ve just done the maths… …a couple of blank tapes ($3 each), so you may buy 2 or 3 that’s $9, then … a turn-table $120, … and some records ($5-$20 each), maybe you need a minimum of 5 or 6 that’s about $100. … so far I’m up to $229… just to get started… Interesting, I bought a cello second hand for $100, and found a friend who would give me free lessons, if I bought him lunch, which I did. This put me back over $100 over a 3-4 month period. I can now play the cello, and it only cost me $200… Even if I paid $30 for some sheet music to practice on I still come out exactly the same. Then I learnt the trumpet (now knowing I should have learnt the tuba!!) , of which I loaned the trumpet as part of my $25 a week lesson. So I had 3 months of trumpet lessons for the same amount…$230 To summize **Monkeymule** …you’re full of shit. I’m not rich but I have managed to learn 2 instruments without resorting to Hip Hop!! ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_believe_that_s_butter)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-make-me-sick/206518/62 "2003-10-11T02:04:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*Just for my own edification, what popular music uses the tuba?? \*\* There are a few jazz tubists, some of whom I came across in the Jazz Connections thread: Red Callender, Bill Barber, Ray Draper, Laymon Jackson, Don Butterfield, Joe Daley, Bob Stewart, and Howard Johnson. Popular enough, I suppose. Also, the spanish language radio stations feature a lot of music featuring tuba; whether it’s Tejano, Conjunto, or Folklorica, I couldn’t tell you. It’s certainly popular among those who listen to it. Also, I understand that the tuba was the standard bass instrument in 1920’s style “jazz music” due to the volume of the tuba over the upright bass. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-make-me-sick/206518/63 "2003-10-11T02:18:01Z")
**Banger** > [@](#): > > The fact that rap can be an outlet for poverty-stricken people does nothing to prove that it is music. Painting can be an outlet for deaf people, but that doesn’t make it music. What I meant was that Maeglin said “don’t defend it on the basis that it is some kind of vindication for the poor” etc. My point was that it _can_ and often _is_ a vindication for poor people. \*\*Mr. B > [@](#): > > To say that poverty-stricken people have two choices to “really get ahead” in life by: > > making it in rap or > taking some hinted, unsavory career path > is not a very reasonable or informed view. I hope you don’t really feel this way. I do not. It was poorly phrased. What I really mean was that it can provide a way to get ahead in life which is infintely preferable over the more common route of drugs and gangs. Don’t even try to tell me that this is not the more common situation in the slums and the ghettos. Note that I am not looking down on people in the ghetteo, nor judging them. The music also provides a release for pent up frustration as well as a way to express onesself creatively. D’ya still think I’m a worthless bag of shit?😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-make-me-sick/206518.md?page=3)