# People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887 "2017-02-03T07:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/181 "2017-02-15T19:52:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Ewwww. Hilarious, but ewwww. 😃 It’s delicious, delicious honey, dripping from the fireman of your dreams. Enjoy! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/182 "2017-02-15T20:16:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I’ve repeatedly explained that the main stream news media needs to do a much, much better job of reporting the news than they have been doing. Did you? Huh! Lost in the shuffle, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/183 "2017-02-15T20:54:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > “We”? “We got the message”? Who is this “we” you’re referring to? You and the pizza delivery guy? We as in everybody who reads this thread. Why do you always get upset and assume I mean something else? > [@](#): > > You provided two (2) incidents where the news media outlets actually managed to provide the information that they should be providing for _ **ALL** _ of the news stories they produce. Two out of how many? > > I’ve repeatedly explained that the main stream news media needs to do a much, much better job of reporting the news than they have been doing. Is that the message you understand? I hope so, because that’s the message I’m sending. You seem to be under the impression that the news media’s managing to get two (2) news stories written correctly somehow makes up for the times when, during their rush to publish/judgment, they publish stories that later need correction. I prefer accuracy over bragging rights of being first to report. Again, we (as in everybody who reads this thread) got the message. You really don’t need to keep repeating it. It just makes you angrier. You’re going to burst a blood vessel. I provided you with two (2) examples to your zero (0). Do you really think there’s only two (2) cases out of the infinite (∞) amount of news stories that meet your criteria? Face it door, you believe what you want to believe and double down when anybody tries to tell you different. Your reasons for believing the way you do boils down to plain ol’ stubborness, unsupported by facts or rational thought. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/184 "2017-02-16T21:53:12Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > …I provided you with two (2) examples to your zero (0). Do you really think there’s only two (2) cases out of the infinite (∞) amount of news stories that meet your criteria? Face it door, you believe what you want to believe and double down when anybody tries to tell you different. Your reasons for believing the way you do boils down to plain ol’ stubborness, unsupported by facts or rational thought. Hahahaha. My criteria? The news media outlets need to do a better job because they, the LSM/MSM, have undermined their own reputations. The viewers/readers/listener don’t trust the news media outlets. Your two (2) examples simply aren’t sufficient to change the public’s view of the news media outlets. Your two (2) examples only prove that the news media outlets are still capable of doing a proper job, if/when they are prodded by a disappointed public. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/185 "2017-02-16T22:11:15Z")
“News media outlets” is redundant. “News media” should suffice. However, this misuse of the language is hardly surprising for someone hoping their “Democrat collective” will catch on. It won’t. I wonder which outlets he\* does\* respect? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/186 "2017-02-16T22:13:37Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The viewers/readers/listener don’t trust the news media outlets. Except that it turns out that [viewer/readers/listeners in general **do** trust mainstream media outlets, when asked about those outlets individually](http://ijr.com/the-political-edit/2016/12/751024-americans-actually-do-trust-the-media-if-you-ask-them-about-specific-news-outlets/). > [@](#): > > […] people say they trust news outlets at a much higher rate when asked about specific ones… Nine outlets asked about in the poll received more than 50% […] Those include ABC, CBS and NBC, all with about two-thirds of the public regarding them as “Credible” or “Very credible” (less than one-quarter consider them “Not too credible” or “not at all credible”). The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and CNN all get positive credibility ratings from over 60% of the public, with Fox, MSNBC and NPR at over 50%. HuffPo is trusted by about 46% of Americans and Breitbart by about 19%. In fact, it appears that Trump’s hollering about the “dishonest” media has actually [increased public support for mainstream news media](http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trumps-war-on-media-is-boosting-subscriptions-donations-for-news-outlets-2016-11-16): > [@](#): > > Oddly enough, however, Trump’s war on the media has actually increased public support for the fourth estate. […] > > From Election Day through the end of last week, the Times said it saw a substantial uptick in subscriptions […] print and digital subscriptions were up at four times the normal rate. […] > > The surge in subscriptions during the election and following Trump’s win is being repeated elsewhere. The Washington Post, which had been lauded for its coverage during the campaign, said it had a record traffic month in October, with a surge in readers looking for political coverage. News media, sort of like seatbelts and vaccinations, are things that people like to complain about when we don’t feel we’re really benefiting from them but suddenly take very seriously when we realize how much we need them. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/187 "2017-02-17T02:52:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. My criteria? The news media outlets need to do a better job because they, the LSM/MSM, have undermined their own reputations. The viewers/readers/listener don’t trust the news media outlets. Your two (2) examples simply aren’t sufficient to change the public’s view of the news media outlets. Your two (2) examples only prove that the news media outlets are still capable of doing a proper job, if/when they are prodded by a disappointed public. Why do you keep using the villain laugh? Are you pretending to be a mad scientist? Dr. Venture is my favorite mad scientist, but he doesn’t laugh that much. I can’t believe that in this internet age, you can’t find enough news coverage. It only takes a few keystrokes. Here, I’ll show you how to do it and maybe you won’t be so grumpy and bitter all the time. Type “Donald Trump news” into that google machine. [Look at that!](https://www.google.com/search?q=Donald+Trump+news&oq=Donald+Trump+news&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) I got 291,000,000 results! I bet there’s plenty of who, what, where, when and why for you to find, and the public’s not even disappointed, so they can put their prodders back. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/188 "2017-02-17T02:57:49Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Why do you keep using the villain laugh? Are you pretending to be a mad scientist? Dr. Venture is my favorite mad scientist, but he doesn’t laugh that much. Maybe he has [PseudoBulbar Affect](http://www.pbainfo.org/science). Or he’s just an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/189 "2017-02-17T03:17:56Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Why do you keep using the villain laugh? 😕 I thought the “villain laugh” was _“MUAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!”_ or similar. **doorhinge** ’s constant “Hahahaha” tic, on the other hand, always reminds me of the nervous little giggle emanating from the standard Tedious Office Racist type just before they say _"Now, this may not be very politically correct of me, but…_ [tedious racist garbage]" ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/190 "2017-02-17T03:24:44Z")
Check out how the other half lives. [Trump supporters cheer his combative stance with the media](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4233314/Trump-supporters-cheer-combative-stance-media.html). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/191 "2017-02-17T03:40:45Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Check out how the other half lives. [Trump supporters cheer his combative stance with the media](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4233314/Trump-supporters-cheer-combative-stance-media.html). That’s why he wants to go back on the campaign trail. To get more of that validation from the Trumpniks. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/192 "2017-02-17T03:52:24Z")
> **[Hundreds crowd in Chicago to moon Trump Tower in protest over his tax returns](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/14/hundreds-crowd-in-chicago-to-moon-trump-tower-in-protest-over-hi/21713780/)** > > Participants used the hashtag #RumpsAgainstTrump for the event. “Hundreds crowd in Chicago to moon Trump Tower in protest over his tax returns”. … They used the hashtag #RumpsAgainstTrump for the event. > **[Thousands rally in Manhattan to protest President Trump's executive orders on...](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-rally-nyc-protest-trump-immigration-orders-article-1.2955809)** > > A crowd of thousands gathered evening in Washington Square Park to protest President Trump’s executive actions on immigration. Thousands rally in Manhattan to protest President Trump’s executive orders on immigration [http://www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/233883468-story](http://www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/233883468-story) NEW YORK (AP) - About a 100 people gathered at a rally in support of President Donald Trump outside Trump Towers in Manhattan. Except for a very few assholes, even his own home town fucking hates hi, ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/193 "2017-02-17T13:40:39Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > [Hundreds crowd in Chicago to moon Trump Tower in protest over his tax returns](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/14/hundreds-crowd-in-chicago-to-moon-trump-tower-in-protest-over-hi/21713780/) > “Hundreds crowd in Chicago to moon Trump Tower in protest over his tax returns”. … They used the hashtag #RumpsAgainstTrump for the event. That link doesn’t work. [This one does](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-rally-nyc-protest-trump-immigration-orders-article-1.2955809). For **doorhinge** ’s benefit: Who: Hundreds of Trump protesters What: Lots of bare buttocks When: February 14th Where: Chicago in front of Trump Tower Why: “Kiss Our Asses, Release Your Taxes!” > [@](#): > > [Thousands rally in Manhattan to protest President Trump’s executive orders on immigration – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-rally-nyc-protest-trump-immigration-orders-article-1.2955809) > Thousands rally in Manhattan to protest President Trump’s executive orders on immigration Who: Thousands of Trump protesters What: Lots of Trump protesters When: January 25th Where: NYC, Washington Square Park Why: Opposition to Trump’s immigration ban > [@](#): > > [http://www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/233883468-story](http://www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/233883468-story) > > NEW YORK (AP) - About a 100 people gathered at a rally in support of President Donald Trump outside Trump Towers in Manhattan. Who: About a hundred Trump supporters What: America has a right to decide who comes into the country. Where: NYC, Trump Tower When: February 5th Why: To honor the president and to show support for the “electoral college process and pride in America.” That’s three (3) more news sources that meet your criteria, dh. I realize you object to the word “criteria” for some reason, so here’s some other words you can replace it with: benchmark, norm, precedent, principle, proof, touchstone, and yardstick. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/194 "2017-02-17T15:11:44Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > “News media outlets” is redundant. “News media” should suffice. However, this misuse of the language is hardly surprising for someone hoping their “Democrat collective” will catch on. It won’t. > > I wonder which outlets he\* does\* respect? Hahahaha, you must be a Democrat. Or someone appointed you Word Police/Nazi/fascist? :eek: Congratulations. If you chose to use the term _news media_, I wouldn’t presume to be so arrogant as to tell you that you must not do that. To each their own. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/195 "2017-02-17T15:25:45Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > …News media, sort of like seatbelts and vaccinations, are things that people like to complain about when we don’t feel we’re really benefiting from them but suddenly take very seriously when we realize how much we need them. (post shortened) We do need them. They are supposed to be our eyes and ears. However, many members of the public do not trust them. Is that because the news media outlets have been too honest? Too accurate? Too unbiased? You can demand that the news media outlets do a better job of vetting, and reporting, the news, or you can enjoy the news stories that you are currently being fed. Maybe you don’t object to corrections, apologies, and rewrites as long as you get a new story as quickly as possible. The truth might come out eventually, right? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/196 "2017-02-17T15:25:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There are some channels and station that are better than others and I pretty much only watch them. If I watch Limbaugh, I recognize that I am consuming entertainment, when I watch Maddow I recognize that I am watching entertainment. I find this statement astounding. Limbaugh describes himself as a comedian and often resorts to lies. Maddow is a serious news commentator. Does she lie? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/197 "2017-02-17T15:37:01Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Check out how the other half lives. [Trump supporters cheer his combative stance with the media](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4233314/Trump-supporters-cheer-combative-stance-media.html). That’s scary. And depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/198 "2017-02-17T17:24:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > We do need them. They are supposed to be our eyes and ears. However, many members of the public do not trust them. Is that because the news media outlets have been too honest? Too accurate? Too unbiased? > > You can demand that the news media outlets do a better job of vetting, and reporting, the news, or you can enjoy the news stories that you are currently being fed. Maybe you don’t object to corrections, apologies, and rewrites as long as you get a new story as quickly as possible. The truth might come out eventually, right? The media are basically chroniclers of change. Change is rarely good news for conservatives. After a while, they blame the messengers. You can shut down the LSM completely and _change will keep happening nonetheless._ ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/199 "2017-02-17T18:21:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > We do need them. They are supposed to be our eyes and ears. However, many members of the public do not trust them. Is that because the news media outlets have been too honest? Too accurate? Too unbiased? And to think you always get upset with me whenever I say “we.” Who’s this “many members of the public” you’re talking about? You and the other \*Soldier of Fortune \*readers? Kimstu’s link in post 186 suggests otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/200 "2017-02-17T18:31:41Z")
I just figured out the only possible explanation for the current Trump presidency. (note only open the spoiler if you want your mind blown.) [SPOILER] We are all living in the matrix, but there are two different feeds, Red pill or Blue pill. In the red pill feed: Trump won by a land slide electoral vote, and also the popular vote but bus loads of illegal immigrants were driven to every precinct from Mexico to make appear that he narrowly lost the actual count. His government has had no setbacks and in running like a well oiled machine. As compared the the previous administration run by a Kenyan puppet whose goal was the destruction of America. Under his rule Millions died in the death panel camps, and the economy crumbled to a level unseen since the great depression (23% unemploymnet). There was a massive terrorist attack at bolling green. And all the blacks live in burning war zones where every day is a fight for survival, kill or be killed. Fortunately Frederick Douglas is doing all he can to help them out. Putin is a hero of democracy and human rights, standing as a bulwark against the dictatorial police state known as the EU. And every single Muslim is taught from birth to be a suicide bomber, except for those from countries that have been reformed by the presence of one of Trump’s business interests. In the Blue pill feed, none of this happened, but there is the problems of global warming, wealth inequality, racism, other environmental destruction which doesn’t exist in the Red Pill world. Most of the people living in the middle US, including the Editors of Breitbart news, and apparently Doorhinge have taken the red pill. Meanwhile the rest of the world including the major news outlets have taken the Blue pill. Everything would be OK except that there is a glitch in the matrix which allows people from the Red pill universe to communicate with those in the Blue pill universe via electronic media. Hence the confusing state we find ourselves in. It all makes sense now. TAKE THE BLUE PILL DOORHINGE! TAKE THE BLUE PILL![/SPOILER] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=11)