# People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887 "2017-02-03T07:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/21 "2017-02-03T12:51:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad [Indeed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=818144) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/22 "2017-02-03T13:05:25Z")
Guys, we should be coming together as a nation today to remember the victims of the Bowling Green Masacre. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/23 "2017-02-03T13:30:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He doesn’t need the help, for starters, but it’s also making Trump opponents look like drama queens. The numerous hate crime hoaxes right after his election was one example, but now we’ve got a new one: > > [http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/233053942-story](http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/233053942-story) > > Another article on it from Time magazine: > > [Imam Disputes That Woman Died in Iraq Because of President Trump’s Immigration Ban](https://www.yahoo.com/news/green-card-holder-dies-day-044529798.html) And your point is…? Yes, this was a despicable thing to do, as well as being totally unnecessary, because there’s more than enough true stuff that’s awful about Trump. But this was one individual. The Left isn’t some monolithic entity that can control what every random person does who’s in some way on its team. All we lefties can do is control how we react to it. Here’s [Atrios](http://www.eschatonblog.com/2017/02/ugh-dont-do-this.html), Wednesday afternoon - a day and a half before you started this thread: > [@](#): > > **Ugh Don’t Do This** > > There are enough horrible consequences of Trump without making things up. With the same link as you used. Or [here’s me Wednesday evening](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19969441#post19969441): > [@](#): > > Turns out the guy was lying - his mother died on January 22, five days before the ban went into effect. Then I quote Atrios and add: > [@](#): > > The truth more than suffices. This crap is not helpful. IOW, we’re way ahead of you here. Please try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/24 "2017-02-03T13:40:52Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > This is merely more fake news being reported by fake journalists and fake media outlets. > > The hoaxes and lies are so numerous now that a very considerable percentage of certain types of news stories from the liberal lunatics and cult members in the MSM are complete fabrications. Yeah, **adaher** came up with one example, which as I’ve pointed out, got dropped like a hot potato by news orgs and lefties alike the moment we knew it wasn’t true. Because that’s how we roll. Similarly, the MLK bust story was corrected within hours, and lived on after that only on the right. Got any more examples, or is that all you’ve got to support your “so numerous now” bullshit? And let me know when your side stops repeating bullshit propaganda long after it’s been proven to be bullshit propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/25 "2017-02-03T13:48:11Z")
I’ve heard that Trump is about to issue an executive order to rename the sizes of rubber gloves. Small, Medium and Large will henceforth be relabeled as Normal, Large and Huuuge. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/26 "2017-02-03T14:16:30Z")
Three months ago, I’d have agreed with OP. (Although he’d never have posted something like this when his Ilk was busy making up lies about Obama and Clinton.) However, I think the conception that Facts should be True is obsolete now. The American people have spoken and, by an electoral-college majority have told us that the truthiness of facts is irrelevant now. The idea that policy should be based on reality is so passé, so 20th-century, that I want to ask OP just what he’s been smoking! 😛 Just yesterday White House Counsel Kellyanne Conway used the “Bowling Green Massacre” to defend Trump’s anti-Muslim program. There’s never been a Massacre in any place named Bowling Green, you say? Who cares! The truth of our facts is irrelevant in this Brave New World. In post-rational American politics, whether facts are true or not is of no use or interest. What matters is how inflammatory they are, how loudly the “facts” are shrieked, and whether our finest orators can synchronize them with their bowel activity to increase the facts’ pungency. If the outnumbered rational thinkers are restricted to hunting for “true” facts (where? to a majority of Americans, CNN, NBC, scientific journals, etc. are now lumped with The Onion and Pravda as liars), I’m afraid they may have no chance in the new political environment. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/27 "2017-02-03T14:27:56Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Yes, your side is so brilliant that it hasn’t been in this bad political shape in many, many decades. You’ve lost everything. Both houses & the presidency. Good job. You can probably thank Obama for that, because this has been in the works for years. > > You couldn’t even beat Trump, you know, the guy that you lot have been making fun of ever since he first announced that he was running. > > Who are the real dummies here? > > I am quite content with being on my side, and you can be happy together with all of the geniuses and mentally unstable, violent freaks on your side. Hey, **Blinky** , any asshole can hurl insults all the livelong day. How about actually making an argument for a change? Try posting your shit in Great Debates, if you have the stones to do so. Which you of course don’t. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/28 "2017-02-03T14:43:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Hey, **Blinky** , any asshole can hurl insults all the livelong day. How about actually making an argument for a change? Try posting your shit in Great Debates, if you have the stones to do so. Which you of course don’t. He doesn’t need stones, he needs brains. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/29 "2017-02-03T15:04:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He doesn’t need stones, he needs brains. He needs to see the Wizard and say “Give me one of each” ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/30 "2017-02-03T15:17:19Z")
You can’t say **Blinky** doesn’t have a purpose… he _is_ making **adaher** look rational by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/31 "2017-02-03T15:21:07Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That America is no longer a democracy, and that if someone does not mindlessly support the ruling clique they no longer matter. One of the most annoying things about you liberals is your continual idiotic blather about “democracy.” This country was never intended to be a democracy. I really, really wish that there was some way of beating that fact into your thick heads. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/32 "2017-02-03T15:24:36Z")
[QUOTE=Blinkyandpinky] … [/QUOTE] Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/33 "2017-02-03T15:28:30Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > One of the most annoying things about you liberals is your continual idiotic blather about “democracy.” This country was never intended to be a democracy. I really, really wish that there was some way of beating that fact into your thick heads. Yes, we know it’s a republic, for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD… Yes, we know the difference between a republic and a democracy. To interchange the two terms has become commonplace and only the most determined nitpickers give a rat’s ass which term is used. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/34 "2017-02-03T15:29:35Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > …Fighting his lies with more lies is like trying to bury a mountain of shit by taking a dump on it… This is g.d. brilliant. Profound and true. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I’ve heard that Trump is about to issue an executive order to rename the sizes of rubber gloves. Small, Medium and Large will henceforth be relabeled as Normal, Large and Huuuge. Except you’ve got the order wrong. Large = Small Medium = teeny-tiny Small = Huuuuge > [@digs](#): > > You can’t say **Blinky** doesn’t have a purpose… > he _is_ making **adaher** look rational by comparison. Amazing but true. Blinky has plumbed the depths and is still plumbing. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/35 "2017-02-03T15:30:36Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I agree with this. Ultimately, Trump isn’t the cause—he’s a symptom. The real sickness is—well, I have no fucking clue what, actually. But he couldn’t have gotten elected in a different social-political climate. Fighting his lies with more lies is like trying to bury a mountain of shit by taking a dump on it. If there’s anything to be done at all, it’s by making facts matter again. > > So while I can to some extent understand the impulse to fight the ‘enemy’ by all means necessary, in this case, the real enemy is just the means by which this fight is fought. Excellent post. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/36 "2017-02-03T15:34:02Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > One of the most annoying things about you liberals is your continual idiotic blather about “democracy.” This country was never intended to be a democracy. I really, really wish that there was some way of beating that fact into your thick heads. [Read](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.8dd40e6bbbb2), moran. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/37 "2017-02-03T16:02:35Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Guys, we should be coming together as a nation today to remember the victims of the Bowling Green Masacre. I’ve said it before. Support Kellyanne for POTUS in 2020. She can make America wonderful again. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/38 "2017-02-03T16:19:50Z")
Originally Posted by Blinkyandpinky View Post Oh, and I forgot about all of the Supreme Court Judges that Trump will be able to nominate and place on the court during his wonderful and amazing 8 year reign. This sort of incredible opportunity doesn’t come around too often to put it mildly. That’s it, you guys are basically done with, at least as far as our lifetimes are concerned probably. Doesn’t that make you feel great? I am confident that after four years of trump there will be a bounty on Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/39 "2017-02-03T16:29:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yeah, **adaher** came up with one example, which as I’ve pointed out, got dropped like a hot potato by news orgs and lefties alike the moment we knew it wasn’t true. Because that’s how we roll. Similarly, the MLK bust story was corrected within hours, and lived on after that only on the right. Got any more examples, or is that all you’ve got to support your “so numerous now” bullshit? > > And let me know when your side stops repeating bullshit propaganda long after it’s been proven to be bullshit propaganda. Just put him on ignore. Everyone should do the same. Starve the troll. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/40 "2017-02-03T16:32:39Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Originally Posted by Blinkyandpinky View Post > Oh, and I forgot about all of the Supreme Court Judges that Trump will be able to nominate and place on the court during his wonderful and amazing 8 year reign. This sort of incredible opportunity doesn’t come around too often to put it mildly. > > That’s it, you guys are basically done with, at least as far as our lifetimes are concerned probably. > > Doesn’t that make you feel great? > I am confident that after four years of trump there will be a bounty on Republicans. I have no problem with Republicans. I do have a problem with fascists and Nazis who disguise themselves a Republicans. I wish they’d take their damn party back from the psychos. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=3)