# People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887 "2017-02-03T07:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/101 "2017-02-07T20:54:56Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It was complete. You can’t accept that. I can. > > You can demand that the news media outlets do a better job of reporting the truth, and nothing but the truth. Or not. > > You can demand that the news media outlets supply the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Or not. > > You could even advocate for the necessity of piss-poor journalism and fake news, if you so chose. I believe the news outlets can do a better job than they’ve been doing. I stand with you against fake news and bad journalism, whatever the source, which is not confined to one ideology, source, or media type. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/102 "2017-02-07T20:55:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It was complete. You can’t accept that. I can. > > You can demand that the news media outlets do a better job of reporting the truth, and nothing but the truth. Or not. > > You can demand that the news media outlets supply the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Or not. > > You could even advocate for the necessity of piss-poor journalism and fake news, if you so chose. I believe the news outlets can do a better job than they’ve been doing. What media outlets do you trust then? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/103 "2017-02-07T20:58:16Z")
Typical. I try to get the ideologues to examine the veracity of their own statements and I get ignored. Don’t even get called nasty names. **doorhinge** doesn’t want to let actual thinking hinder his resolve. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/104 "2017-02-07T21:01:02Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > A good example of the theme of this thread. He actually said big league not bigly but that doesn’t stop people mocking Trump because they didn’t hear him properly. Even if Trump actually said “big league”, I’ll still mock him for speaking at a 4th grade level. Not my fault Trump is inarticulate. He also probably reads at a 4th grade level. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/105 "2017-02-07T21:01:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It was complete. You can’t accept that. I can. > > You can demand that the news media outlets do a better job of reporting the truth, and nothing but the truth. Or not. > > You can demand that the news media outlets supply the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Or not. > > You could even advocate for the necessity of piss-poor journalism and fake news, if you so chose. I believe the news outlets can do a better job than they’ve been doing. I’ll just quote myself since you ignored it: The reason anyone would ask your position on Fox et al is that you are a conservative poster. I assume you style yourself as an “intelligent” poster or something like that. But it is of no moment and completely banal to say “all news outlets should be better” and it’s not worth an intelligent moments thought. The actual issue in the country is: _ **How fake is your news? And Why?** _ There is no equivalency among all outlets. Don’t want to think about it? I understand, but this is what we got and there is but this to do. This is the topic. What are _ **you** _ talking about? See no evil is not a response. These outlets tried to make trump look good by subterfuge and lying. _ **The outlets who made him look bad were only reporting his words and deeds.** _ So are you advocating for piss poor news from the right only, or are you saying that the right wing media has gone insane and truth free, and led the country into the grubby paws of a conman. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/106 "2017-02-07T21:04:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Even if Trump actually said “big league”, I’ll still mock him for speaking at a 4th grade level. Not my fault Trump is inarticulate. He also probably reads at a 4th grade level. However, to be fair, he moves his lips at a 6th grade level and looks at pictures at a 7th grade level. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/107 "2017-02-07T21:11:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Personally, I believe that both you and Conway simply made a mistake. She made the same “mistake” multiple times, iirc. [https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=conway+bowlinggreen+before&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=conway+bowling+green+before&tbm=nws](https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=conway+bowlinggreen+before&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=conway+bowling+green+before&tbm=nws) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/kellyanne-conways-bowling-green-massacre-wasnt-a-slip-of-the-tongue-shes-said-it-before/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/kellyanne-conways-bowling-green-massacre-wasnt-a-slip-of-the-tongue-shes-said-it-before/) “…she cited the same nonexistent attack in separate interviews with two other outlets — Cosmopolitan magazine and TMZ.” [Conway explained to Cosmo on Jan. 29](http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8674035/kellyanne-conway-bowling-green-massacre-repeat/): “He did that because two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away.” [when interviewed by TMZ](http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/29/kellyanne-conway-obama-started-muslim-ban/) that same day, as the Daily Beast pointed out Monday afternoon. “He did that because, I assume, there were two Iraqis who came here, got radicalized, joined ISIS, and then were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green attack on our brave soldiers,” she said. Not really directed at you—I suspect yu don’t care—but this is for folks who wander by over the years. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/108 "2017-02-07T21:13:35Z")
Slightly more interesting, like pathology is interesting. Soldiers? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/109 "2017-02-07T21:32:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What media outlets do you trust then? None of them. They all want to be the first to report a story, regardless of the facts. Being accurate is 2nd. Most of the time. I’ve imposed a personal 48 hour moratorium on accepting any information from the news media outlets ON ANY MAJOR STORY. Eventually, most of the facts will be reported, and I miss all of the sturm und drang that’s meant to sell advertising. It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. They seem to see what they want to see. Which is not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/110 "2017-02-07T21:35:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > None of them. They all want to be the first to report a story, regardless of the facts. Being accurate is 2nd. Most of the time. > > I’ve imposed a personal 48 hour moratorium on accepting any information from the news media outlets ON ANY MAJOR STORY. Eventually, most of the facts will be reported, and I miss all of the sturm und drang that’s meant to sell advertising. > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. They seem to see what they want to see. Which is not my problem. Interesting philosophy. Downside is that I can spoil the superbowl for you, Patriots won. You should be finding this out from your 48 hour delay in a few hours now. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/111 "2017-02-07T21:44:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. The difficulty is in comprehending why you think this platitude is a satisfactory answer to any question, let alone every question asked of you. For those unfamiliar, **doorhinge** believes the definition of debate is “repeating the same sentence over and over.” He demonstrates what a psychologist might call “looping thoughts,” a term that is perhaps a bit too charitable here. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/112 "2017-02-07T22:08:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Interesting philosophy. > > Downside is that I can spoil the superbowl for you, Patriots won. > > You should be finding this out from your 48 hour delay in a few hours now. Is that considered a MAJOR STORY? Even the LSM can’t screw up a story that the viewers can see for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/113 "2017-02-07T22:13:39Z")
You know who needs to stop making stuff up that makes Trump look bad? Kellyanne Conway. Clean it up at home first, Republicans. And while you’re at it, say a prayer for our dear, brave soldiers who were targeted in Bowling Green. Such a massacree, believe me, I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/114 "2017-02-07T22:14:35Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > The difficulty is in comprehending why you think this platitude is a satisfactory answer to any question, let alone every question asked of you. > > For those unfamiliar, **doorhinge** believes the definition of debate is “repeating the same sentence over and over.” He demonstrates what a psychologist might call “looping thoughts,” a term that is perhaps a bit too charitable here. If things were different, things would be different. Assholes like yourself are repeatedly asking me to defend positions that I do not hold. Eventually, maybe, it’s going to occur to you that I actually meant to say what I actually said. Well, not you, but I have high hopes for the rest. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/115 "2017-02-07T22:17:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Is that considered a MAJOR STORY? To quite a number of people yes. > [@](#): > > Even the LSM can’t screw up a story that the viewers can see for themselves. Ah, and now you have hit the point. Okay, so what types of information do you feel you can see for yourself, rather than needing journalists to investigate and collate the data for you? We’ll start with inauguration crowd size, as that was the first controversy that Trump decided to embroil himself in. Could we see for ourselves which crowd was bigger, just as you could see for yourself which team had more points, or should we depend on Trump and co for their input into crowd size before we determine the things we can see for ourselves? ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/116 "2017-02-07T22:20:31Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > That’s it, you guys are basically done with, at least as far as our lifetimes are concerned probably. > > Doesn’t that make you feel great? It’s amusing that you think that… ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/117 "2017-02-07T22:44:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > None of them. They all want to be the first to report a story, regardless of the facts. Being accurate is 2nd. Most of the time. > > I’ve imposed a personal 48 hour moratorium on accepting any information from the news media outlets ON ANY MAJOR STORY. Eventually, most of the facts will be reported, and I miss all of the sturm und drang that’s meant to sell advertising. > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. They seem to see what they want to see. Which is not my problem. I actually think we are getting to the very nut of the matter: You can’t get yourself to admit to the mendacity of some individual news outlets. It’s like the point in the Thing where they torture the little puddle with electricity and it responds. You can’t really hide the intellectual dishonesty. The topic here is media treatment of donnie and you are stopped dead in your tracks from continuing to participate because you need to be in your hole and muttering about LSM or democrat collective. For someone who claims to be so cautious about information you sure have a lot of tics having to do with impacted and encrusted prejudices. Let it go. Be a good intellectual. Distinguish between news outlets, and talk about fox, or admit you have no interest in this topic except to sit in your stew pot and make contradictory commands on reality. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/118 "2017-02-07T23:21:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > None of them. They all want to be the first to report a story, regardless of the facts. Being accurate is 2nd. Most of the time. > > I’ve imposed a personal 48 hour moratorium on accepting any information from the news media outlets ON ANY MAJOR STORY. Eventually, most of the facts will be reported, and I miss all of the sturm und drang that’s meant to sell advertising. > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. They seem to see what they want to see. Which is not my problem. How does one put a 48 hour moratorium on news? Do you actually avoid watching the news and refuse to look at the newspaper and the web? 2 days later, you still have to contend with the brand new news while looking for the 48-hour old news that hasn’t been tainted by hyperbole. Talk about seeing only what you want to see. Are you ever going to respond to my analysis? I’m really trying to understand how you think the news is insufficiently reported when we live in the internet/twitter/smartphone era where EVERYTHING is revealed. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/119 "2017-02-07T23:28:52Z")
Everything except Donald Trump’s nefarious, suspicious tax return. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/120 "2017-02-08T00:02:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > However, to be fair, he moves his lips at a 6th grade level and looks at pictures at a 7th grade level. But at what level does he watch cable news? He doesn’t attend his daily intelligence breifings, but gets his shit info from Fox and Breibart and Infowars! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=7)