# People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887 "2017-02-03T07:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/121 "2017-02-08T00:29:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. Oh, we know what you mean by “a better job reporting the news.” It means censoring things that don’t comport with your opinions. Take a story that says “Trump wins presidency, Clinton wins popular vote.” I’m sure you think it is fake news and poor journalism to state a fact that Clinton got 3 million more votes. All these stories about Trump being incompetent and lying through his teeth must really bother you. I’m sure you’d rather read about Trump’s record-breaking crowds at the inauguration. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/122 "2017-02-08T00:57:47Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Even if Trump actually said “big league”, I’ll still mock him for speaking at a 4th grade level. Not my fault Trump is inarticulate. He also probably reads at a 4th grade level. If he can read at all. Follow his latest adventures about Exec Orders he signed (he says) without reading them (blaming President Bannon). For a tough guy who supposedly only respects strength, that’s a real punk ass bitch excuse to fall back on. Either he is stupid, or illiterate, or lazy or dereliction of duty, or other worse things (deliberately creating chaos and/or in Russia’s pocket). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/123 "2017-02-08T00:58:57Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > She made the same “mistake” multiple times, iirc. > > [conway bowlinggreen before - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=conway+bowlinggreen+before&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=conway+bowling+green+before&tbm=nws) > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/kellyanne-conways-bowling-green-massacre-wasnt-a-slip-of-the-tongue-shes-said-it-before/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/kellyanne-conways-bowling-green-massacre-wasnt-a-slip-of-the-tongue-shes-said-it-before/) > “…she cited the same nonexistent attack in separate interviews with two other outlets — Cosmopolitan magazine and TMZ.” > [Conway explained to Cosmo on Jan. 29](http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8674035/kellyanne-conway-bowling-green-massacre-repeat/): “He did that because two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away.” > > [when interviewed by TMZ](http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/29/kellyanne-conway-obama-started-muslim-ban/) that same day, as the Daily Beast pointed out Monday afternoon. > “He did that because, I assume, there were two Iraqis who came here, got radicalized, joined ISIS, and then were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green attack on our brave soldiers,” she said. > Not really directed at you—I suspect yu don’t care—but this is for folks who wander by over the years. It was deliberate. it was NO slip. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/124 "2017-02-08T01:04:07Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Oh, we know what you mean by “a better job reporting the news.” It means censoring things that don’t comport with your opinions. > > Take a story that says “Trump wins presidency, Clinton wins popular vote.” I’m sure you think it is fake news and poor journalism to state a fact that Clinton got 3 million more votes. > > All these stories about Trump being incompetent and lying through his teeth must really bother you. I’m sure you’d rather read about Trump’s record-breaking crowds at the inauguration. There was a pro Trump “demonstration” in New York, his home town (and mine). About 50 to 100 people showed up. That’s in Trump’s hometown of more than eight million. How many people do the anti Trump rallies get? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/125 "2017-02-08T01:45:34Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > There was a pro Trump “demonstration” in New York, his home town (and mine). > > About 50 to 100 people showed up. That’s in Trump’s hometown of more than eight million. How many people do the anti Trump rallies get? Well, there’s the problem: “Trump’s hometown”. He might have gotten two or three hundred people, out of curiosity if nothing else, if they’d held the rally in some big city where nobody had ever heard of him. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/126 "2017-02-08T01:58:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > There was a pro Trump “demonstration” in New York, his home town (and mine). > > About 50 to 100 people showed up. That’s in Trump’s hometown of more than eight million. How many people do the anti Trump rallies get? Not looking good in the sticks either. > **[Eight people (yes, 8) attend pro-Trump rally in Portland – and Twitter noticed](https://www.pressherald.com/2017/02/06/eight-people-yes-8-attend-pro-trump-rally-in-portland-and-twitter-noticed/)** > > The Huffington Post deemed the event the 'World’s Saddest Trump Rally.' This was in Portland, in ME, where my uncle and his wife were trump delegates. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/127 "2017-02-08T02:04:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Everything except Donald Trump’s nefarious, suspicious tax return. Are you saying there isn’t some sort of extreme vetting for presidential candidates? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/128 "2017-02-08T02:21:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > …Okay, so what types of information do you feel you can see for yourself, rather than needing journalists to investigate and collate the data for you? > > We’ll start with inauguration crowd size, as that was the first controversy that Trump decided to embroil himself in. > > Could we see for ourselves which crowd was bigger, just as you could see for yourself which team had more points, or should we depend on Trump and co for their input into crowd size before we determine the things we can see for ourselves? (post shortened) I seem to remember some controversy over just when the (CNN?) photos in question were taken. Was Trump actually speaking at the time? Or were the crowd photo’s taken earlier in the day? I distinctly remember watching Super Bowl 51 in real time. I want the news media outlets to provide the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Even you could spot fake news stories with that information at your fingertips. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/129 "2017-02-08T02:29:15Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Oh, we know what you mean by “a better job reporting the news.” It means censoring things that don’t comport with your opinions. > > Take a story that says “Trump wins presidency, Clinton wins popular vote.” I’m sure you think it is fake news and poor journalism to state a fact that Clinton got 3 million more votes. > > All these stories about Trump being incompetent and lying through his teeth must really bother you. I’m sure you’d rather read about Trump’s record-breaking crowds at the inauguration. (underline added) Hahahaha. You’re actually making stuff up in a thread about a need to stop making stuff up. You’re a hoot. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/130 "2017-02-08T02:37:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > I seem to remember some controversy over just when the (CNN?) photos in question were taken. Was Trump actually speaking at the time? Or were the crowd photo’s taken earlier in the day? There were time stamps on the photos, as well as for the Metro statistics showing the number of riders. Way to blame CNN - which didn’t take the pictures - for you not being able to pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/131 "2017-02-08T02:39:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > I seem to remember some controversy over just when the (CNN?) photos in question were taken. Was Trump actually speaking at the time? Or were the crowd photo’s taken earlier in the day? > > I distinctly remember watching Super Bowl 51 in real time. > > I want the news media outlets to provide the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Even you could spot fake news stories with that information at your fingertips. The photos were taken 25 minutes apart (aside from the 8 year gap). There’s also a time lapse video from the same vantage point of Trump’s inauguration that clearly showed people arriving and not being delayed by the non-existent magnetometers. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/132 "2017-02-08T02:39:29Z")
[QUOTE=doorhinge] I distinctly remember watching Super Bowl 51 in real time. [/QUOTE] Are you sure? I distinctly remember some controversy over whether you were actually staring at a ceiling fan and trying to stuff both of your fists in your mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/133 "2017-02-08T02:41:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I want the news media outlets to provide the Who, What, Where, Why, and When of every story they produce. Even you could spot fake news stories with that information at your fingertips. Again, I analyzed Two news sources providing Who, What, Where, Why, and When in post 96. Is it tl;dr for you? Should I have made it less than 5 sentences? Can you show us examples of inadequate news sources instead of just painting with a broad brush and thinking that settles the matter? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/134 "2017-02-08T02:43:19Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > How does one put a 48 hour moratorium on news? Do you actually avoid watching the news and refuse to look at the newspaper and the web? 2 days later, you still have to contend with the brand new news while looking for the 48-hour old news that hasn’t been tainted by hyperbole. Talk about seeing only what you want to see. (post shortened, underline added) You seem to be on a roll. Keep going. What else are you thinking that I’m thinking? I can hardly wait. The suspense is killing me. Well, it’s mildly uncomfortable. Sort of. As far as a 48 hour moratorium is concerned, it’s fairly simple. You don’t make up your mind about a particular major, late-breaking, all-news-readers-on-deck, main stream news story until after approximately 48 hours have passed. It’s really, really, simple. Even you could do it. With practice. A lot of practice. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/135 "2017-02-08T02:45:19Z")
Jesus, if only we could get you to wait 48 hours before making any post. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/136 "2017-02-08T02:50:45Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Again, I analyzed Two news sources providing Who, What, Where, Why, and When in post 96. Is it tl;dr for you? Should I have made it less than 5 sentences? Can you show us examples of inadequate news sources instead of just painting with a broad brush and thinking that settles the matter? Why are you bothering? A troll is a troll is a troll. Whether (s)he’s a pathetic ignoramus posting stupid shit to get a rise, or (s)he’s a pathetic moron who believes what (s)he posts, (s)he will never give you a reasonable answer, regardless of how well you might make your point. It will be just more inflammatory bullshit designed to rile you up. Stop rising to the bait. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/137 "2017-02-08T03:10:27Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The photos were taken 25 minutes apart (aside from the 8 year gap). There’s also a time lapse video from the same vantage point of Trump’s inauguration that clearly showed people arriving and not being delayed by the non-existent magnetometers. [Here’s the photos](https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/comparison-withtime-1024x576.jpg) since you’re too [del]lazy[/del] [del]stupid[/del] [del]dishonest[/del] afraid to look them up yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/138 "2017-02-08T13:56:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You seem to be on a roll. Keep going. What else are you thinking that I’m thinking? I can hardly wait. The suspense is killing me. Well, it’s mildly uncomfortable. Sort of. > > As far as a 48 hour moratorium is concerned, it’s fairly simple. You don’t make up your mind about a particular major, late-breaking, all-news-readers-on-deck, main stream news story until after approximately 48 hours have passed. It’s really, really, simple. Even you could do it. With practice. A lot of practice. Some advice, the condescending tone of voice isn’t funny if you avoid replying to the weightier topics and think we won’t notice. You still haven’t responded to post 96 after tripling down on how the news media isn’t covering the Who, What, Where, When & Why. Plus, you said you imposed a 48-hour moratorium on the news without explaining the process. I thought that meant you avoided examining the news. I have no idea what you’re thinking if you don’t post your reasoning and methods. I have to resort to guessing and see if that comes anywhere near the mark. You seem to think all you have to do is spout your opinion without supporting it with research and that will be enough. Don’t you think that could be why you’re getting so much negative feedback? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/139 "2017-02-08T13:57:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > None of them. They all want to be the first to report a story, regardless of the facts. Being accurate is 2nd. Most of the time. CSPAN??? NPR??? AP? I don’t trust any retail for profit news source anymore but NPR, CSPAN, AP and others are not for profit and don’t have to sensationalize things to achieve their goals. > [@](#): > > I’ve imposed a personal 48 hour moratorium on accepting any information from the news media outlets ON ANY MAJOR STORY. Eventually, most of the facts will be reported, and I miss all of the sturm und drang that’s meant to sell advertising. > > It’s my position that the news media outlets should be doing a much, much better job of reporting the news. “_ **THAT** _” is my position. The Democrat collective is having difficulty understanding this simple statement. They seem to see what they want to see. Which is not my problem. I think that if they did their job, you would see them act more like NBC than FOX. A lot more. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/140 "2017-02-08T14:03:15Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Why are you bothering? A troll is a troll is a troll. Whether (s)he’s a pathetic ignoramus posting stupid shit to get a rise, or (s)he’s a pathetic moron who believes what (s)he posts, (s)he will never give you a reasonable answer, regardless of how well you might make your point. It will be just more inflammatory bullshit designed to rile you up. Stop rising to the bait. Yes, yes, I know, DNFTT, but I took a Strength Finder test and my number 1 strength is Context. I’m obsessed with discovering why things are the way they are, and it’s sometimes a multilayered raison d’etre that can go back centuries. Maybe it is futile, but Columbus was looking for Asia and found something else. Maybe there’s an underlying reason for \*\*doorhinge \*\*that solves one of the numerous mysteries of the universe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=8)