# People need to stop making stuff up to make Trump look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887 "2017-02-03T07:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/141 "2017-02-08T14:03:39Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened, underline added) > > You seem to be on a roll. Keep going. What else are you thinking that I’m thinking? I can hardly wait. The suspense is killing me. Well, it’s mildly uncomfortable. Sort of. > > As far as a 48 hour moratorium is concerned, it’s fairly simple. You don’t make up your mind about a particular major, late-breaking, all-news-readers-on-deck, main stream news story until after approximately 48 hours have passed. It’s really, really, simple. Even you could do it. With practice. A lot of practice. Oh, well that’s pretty fucking stupid. Why an arbitrary amount of time? Why not just wait until you know the facts, the who, what, when, where, and why? What happens if you have that information, and yet it has only been 36 hours? Does that mean that you still have to wait another 12? You say the superbowl was obvious, but pictures and video of the inauguration are not. How do you know that they didn’t actually run one of the playoff games, or even a superbowl from years past? If you have that much difficulty believing your own eyes, and the pictures and video that are provided by many sources, many of them non-partisan or even right aligned. What happens if after 48 hours, you do not have that information, do you go ahead and make up your mind anyway? Anyway, yeah, I shouldn’t feed the trolls, but it’s the pit, and I have a morbid fascination with people like this. I am always curious as to whether they really are this stupid, this deluded, this willing to lie, or a combination thereof. My analysis so far is that doorhinge _is_ stupid enough to believe the things he says, but still feels the need to lie, both to himself and to the board. I could be wrong though, he could be even stupider than I thought possible. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/142 "2017-02-08T14:04:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > There was a pro Trump “demonstration” in New York, his home town (and mine). > > About 50 to 100 people showed up. That’s in Trump’s hometown of more than eight million. How many people do the anti Trump rallies get? In NYC? One of the epicenters of immigrants and Democrats in this country? Unless you are talking about Staten Island, you’re not going to get large pro-Republican demonstrations. I see demonstrations here in DC on an almost weekly basis. most of them have fewer than 100 people. They frequently have more cameras covering them than demonstrators. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/143 "2017-02-08T18:20:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > CSPAN??? NPR??? AP? > > I don’t trust any retail for profit news source anymore but NPR, CSPAN, AP and others are not for profit and don’t have to sensationalize things to achieve their goals. > > I think that if they did their job, you would see them act more like NBC than FOX. A lot more. I listen to/watch all of the news media outlets, including CSPAN, NPR, AP, and BBC. I’m a notorious channel changer. When they chose to run commercials, I chose to change the channel/station. Regardless of the news media outlet, not every news story is handled in a slipshod, rush-to-judgment manner. Even MSNBC and RT/Russia Today. The news media outlets are often correct, eventually. It’s my position that THEY CAN ALL DO A BETTER JOB than what they have been doing. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/144 "2017-02-08T18:41:41Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Some advice, the condescending tone of voice isn’t funny if you avoid replying to the weightier topics and think we won’t notice. > > You still haven’t responded to post 96 after tripling down on how the news media isn’t covering the Who, What, Where, When & Why. Plus, you said you imposed a 48-hour moratorium on the news without explaining the process. I thought that meant you avoided examining the news. I have no idea what you’re thinking if you don’t post your reasoning and methods. I have to resort to guessing and see if that comes anywhere near the mark. > > You seem to think all you have to do is spout your opinion without supporting it with research and that will be enough. Don’t you think that could be why you’re getting so much negative feedback? Hahahaha. Negative feedback? From you? You must have an unusually high opinion of how your opinion must be appreciated by others. I’ve noticed that the Democrat collective seems to have a history of not noticing/ignoring the obvious fact that they’ve been losing seats/influence in both U.S. houses of Congress. As an example of what some people don’t notice, I explained my 48 hr. moratorium in the very post you quoted. :rolleyes: Not every main stream media news story is rushed, slipshod, biased, etc… I don’t advocate for any particular news media outlet, contrary to the babblings of some people. I do expect the news media outlets to do a better job of reporting the facts, and only the facts, than they have been doing. I expect news media outlets to place accuracy above all else. I don’t care if a news media outlet is the 1st to report an inaccurate story. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/145 "2017-02-08T19:05:06Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Jesus, if only we could get you to wait 48 hours before making any post. Preferably non-sequential. Annual, even better. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/146 "2017-02-08T20:59:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Negative feedback? From you? You must have an unusually high opinion of how your opinion must be appreciated by others. Really? A villain laugh? Just how old do you think we are, 12? > [@doorhinge](#): > > I’ve noticed that the Democrat collective seems to have a history of not noticing/ignoring the obvious fact that they’ve been losing seats/influence in both U.S. houses of Congress. As an example of what some people don’t notice, I explained my 48 hr. moratorium in the very post you quoted. :rolleyes: You explained it _after_ I asked about it, and it turns out it’s not really a moratorium because you still watched the news. Plus, you still haven’t responded to post 96. You are such a coward. > [@doorhinge](#): > > Not every main stream media news story is rushed, slipshod, biased, etc… I don’t advocate for any particular news media outlet, contrary to the babblings of some people. I do expect the news media outlets to do a better job of reporting the facts, and only the facts, than they have been doing. I expect news media outlets to place accuracy above all else. I don’t care if a news media outlet is the 1st to report an inaccurate story. So you admit that some news outlets aren’t guilty of what you described, but you still think all of them are insufficient. Hard to grok you when you keep contradicting yourself. Plus, if you really consult as many news sources as you claim, you could eventually surmise a truthful account of the event without all the window dressing. But I guess you’re just here to troll like everybody says. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/147 "2017-02-08T21:02:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I listen to/watch all of the news media outlets, including CSPAN, NPR, AP, and BBC. I’m a notorious channel changer. When they chose to run commercials, I chose to change the channel/station. And maybe that’s part of the problem. There are some channels and station that are better than others and I pretty much only watch them. If I watch Limbaugh, I recognize that I am consuming entertainment, when I watch Maddow I recognize that I am watching entertainment. But I have no seen a lot of entertainment on CSPAN or NPR. > [@](#): > > Regardless of the news media outlet, not every news story is handled in a slipshod, rush-to-judgment manner. Even MSNBC and RT/Russia Today. The news media outlets are often correct, eventually. It’s my position that THEY CAN ALL DO A BETTER JOB than what they have been doing. Well sure, there is always room for improvement but there are some outlets that are in fact credible and can’t really be dismissed as yellow journalism. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/148 "2017-02-08T21:33:31Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > … I expect news media outlets to place accuracy above all else. … If The Media reported a hallucinitory lie spoken repeatedly by Kellyanne Conway, would it only be considered accurate if they mentioned that she was hallucinating? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/149 "2017-02-08T22:39:35Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Really? A villain laugh? Just how old do you think we are, 12? > …So you admit that some news outlets aren’t guilty of what you described, but you still think all of them are insufficient. Hard to grok you when you keep contradicting yourself. Plus, if you really consult as many news sources as you claim, you could eventually surmise a truthful account of the event without all the window dressing. But I guess you’re just here to troll like everybody says. (post shortened) I don’t care how old you are. You have a PC and internet access. Everyone, literally, everyone is welcome. If I had to guess, I would guess that you were born yesterday. Am I close? I admitted nothing of the kind. ALL of the news media outlets have produced news stories that they’ve had to correct for various reasons. My position hasn’t changed. Perhaps your confusion is due to your reading the posts of other posters who act as if they speak for me? Maybe you were born yesterday? “Like everybody says”? Really? That’s just silly. Have you even met everybody? Did everybody actually tell you that? Did you mean “everybody”, or “everybody” who has supplied you with pictures of naked farm animals? Happy Birthday. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/150 "2017-02-08T23:44:22Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Even if Trump actually said “big league”, I’ll still mock him for speaking at a 4th grade level. Not my fault Trump is inarticulate. He also probably reads at a 4th grade level. But he was a GREAT student. He said so himself 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/151 "2017-02-09T00:09:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I don’t care how old you are. You have a PC and internet access. Everyone, literally, everyone is welcome. If I had to guess, I would guess that you were born yesterday. Am I close? I really can’t understand if you’re trying to insult me. It’s like you’re copying and pasting from other sources and hoping it somehow applies to me. And all I did was ask you to explain your reasoning. What a grouch. > [@doorhinge](#): > > I admitted nothing of the kind. ALL of the news media outlets have produced news stories that they’ve had to correct for various reasons. My position hasn’t changed. Perhaps your confusion is due to your reading the posts of other posters who act as if they speak for me? Maybe you were born yesterday? Even after I quoted you saying it? You really do want to be like the Cheetoh in Chief don’t you? And dude, you’re a troll. The other posters have been around long enough to know how trolls act, so they predict you easily. > [@doorhinge](#): > > “Like everybody says”? Really? That’s just silly. Have you even met everybody? Did everybody actually tell you that? Did you mean “everybody”, or “everybody” who has supplied you with pictures of naked farm animals? Happy Birthday. _Naked farm animals?_ As opposed to clothed farm animals? You really don’t understand how this insult thing works. As your orange god would say, “Sad.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/152 "2017-02-09T00:12:26Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > _Naked farm animals?_ As opposed to clothed farm animals? " Maybe it’s some sort of sick twisted fetish. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/153 "2017-02-09T14:50:25Z")
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that **doorhinge** has probably great difficulty obtaining consent from any potential partners, livestock or non-. And don’t even try for the he-said, it-mooed defense, **doorkie**. Low means no. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/154 "2017-02-09T14:52:16Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that **doorhinge** has probably great difficulty obtaining consent from any potential partners, livestock or non-. > > And don’t even try for the he-said, it-mooed defense, **doorkie**. Low means no. **doorhinge** ’s predilection is [honey-slathered firemen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=741905&page=5), not livestock. I think you owe him an apology. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/155 "2017-02-09T17:57:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **doorhinge** ’s predilection is [honey-slathered firemen](http://boards.straihtdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=741905&page=5), not livestock. > > I think you owe him an apology. You are very proud of a thread where you proved yourself to be an unmitigated liar. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/156 "2017-02-09T18:06:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > very proud Indeed! We can both be proud of being the humans that we are. Not everyone loves honey, but you do, and that’s okay. Not everyone loves firemen, but you do, and that’s okay. Enjoy yourself, and your desires, with any and every adult who consents, and be **very proud** indeed of who you are! ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/157 "2017-02-09T18:11:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You are very proud of a thread where you proved yourself to be an unmitigated liar. My, you are a precious little idiot, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/158 "2017-02-09T18:16:15Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I really can’t understand if you’re trying to insult me. It’s like you’re copying and pasting from other sources and hoping it somehow applies to me. And all I did was ask you to explain your reasoning. What a grouch. > > _Naked farm animals?_ As opposed to clothed farm animals? You really don’t understand how this insult thing works. As your orange god would say, “Sad.” (post shortened) Why would anyone want to insult you? You’re harmless. a-hem - _“Like everybody says”? Really? That’s just silly. Have you even met everybody? Did everybody actually tell you that? Did you mean “everybody”, or “everybody” who has supplied you with pictures of naked farm animals?_ So who is this “everybody” you were referring to? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/159 "2017-02-09T18:18:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Indeed! (post shortened) You’re proud of yourself for proving that you are a liar? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887/160 "2017-02-09T18:22:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You’re proud of yourself for proving that you are a liar? He was warned. he was given an explanation. Nevertheless, he persisted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-need-to-stop-making-stuff-up-to-make-trump-look-bad/778887.md?page=9)