People objecting to your dog just being near them

First, there is a big difference between letting a dog go off leash in a park or even on a walk and letting a dog run free in the neighborhood unsupervised. Don’t you have animal control where you live? I’ve collected a few roaming dogs in my time, and either returned them home if I knew it or if they had a tag, or to the shelter if they didn’t. None of them were remotely vicious. People around here whose vicious dogs hurt someone go to jail. As well they should.
Yeah, some people don’t know how to control their dog - the same kind of people who, when their kid misbehaves in a restaurant, yells at them without doing anything physical to fix the problem. My dog knows how to come, though if you give her a treat once she’ll remember it and expect more forever.

A hint - don’t back away. If a dog is being a pain, and running from you, running towards her just makes her think you are playing. Saying “come” and backing away from her attracts her. So, you are attracting these dogs, not telling them to get lost. A firm “sit” or “down” often works. I’ve used it for dogs who have come up to me.

Before my daughter made us get a dog I was pretty nervous around them. Now I understand them, and have trained a few for guide dogs, I’m not. I was a letter carrier one summer and had two dogs attack me, so its not like I’ve never had bad experiences. But now I understand all the mistakes I used to make around dogs.
None of which excuses owners from keeping their dogs from bugging other people, of course.

I am getting an amusing image of US parks being full of humans and dogs all jumping around crazily whenever they happen within five feet of each other. :smiley: How anyone ever finds the time for all those crack deals and spy handovers, I don’t know.

The initial situation was presented without comment. I don’t see why that should prohibit me from further discussion on the topic later in the thread. Thanks for the advice, though, “bro”.

If my mentioning that some countries have different expectations of dog ownership bothers or offends you, I’m sorry to hear it.

Dog owners…grrrrr

A club I belong to has been around for decades. Within 3 years of its formation, the executive commitee banned dogs from most official club activities because of all the trouble they caused. Things were fine for decades and even though the executive commitee makeup changed numerous times (with many of those folks being dog owners/likers themselves), the ban always stayed.

Then, a few years ago, an executive member that had a dog started bringing it. Others started bringing theirs despite the ban. Some people grumbled about the rules being broken. So then the ban was officially lifted (and pardons given out perhaps?). Then dogs became a regular thing. Then we started having “dog problems”. One person/dog in particular was really bad. Nearly constant complaints about that owner/dog. So, rather than just requiring “well behaved” dogs, a list of rules were finally drawn up. Nothing complicated. Stuff like must have current tag, be on leash in most circumstances, not allowed around food areas during social functions. No excessive barking or agressive behavior. Not allowed on trips if a trip leader declared a trip a “no dog trip”.

Now that we had a reasonable list of reasonable rules we figured all would be well. I mean these are all smart, responsible adults right? In particular, we hoped the bad dog owner would now fly right. But guess what? The bad owner only got marginally better but was still totally unacceptable.

But even worse IMO, were the other 4 or so owners who brought dogs on a regular basis. Even after all the complaining and the drawing up of rules, they didn’t improve any either! Because, I guess, those rules were drawn up for those other bad owners/dogs, not them and their special dog.

It was maddening. Dogs still not on leashes. Dogs still around food, stealing food, and leaving dumps around food. Dogs just leaving dumps where they shouldnt period. Dogs at recreational areas where dogs aren’t allowed by law. Dogs brought on trips where dogs were specifically excluded. Dogs being obnoxious, aggressive, and bitting folks (fortunately just cloth punctures). Dogs getting lost and having to be searched for. Dogs almost getting run over. Owners yelling at their dogs to behave with no results, just continual irritating yelling in addition to the bad dog behavior. Service dogs in training at no dogs allowed places without their identifying “clothing”. And probably another thing or two I am forgetting at the moment.

We had rules that were NOT being followed. And, if you even politely reminded folks about the rules, they either were generally offended and sometimes downright pissy about it. Its was about one year of dogs unofficially allowed. Then they were officially allowed but just required to be “well behaved” for about another year. Then about a year of specific dog rules. Things never got better. People never learned or didnt care despite having plenty of time and warnings to get up to speed.

Damn dog owners. And I say that as a dog owner and lover myself.

Wasn’t it a fellow Brit who told you to put your dog on a fucking leash?

Feeling’s mutual, brah.

P.S.: Keep your mongrel on a leash in the future, please.

Yes, and I was so surprised by it that I thought it worthy of a thread in SDMB! We’re not all a single hivemind, y’know! Sometimes some people do things that strike others as unusual.

Well, you’re an angry young man, aren’t you? Chill out, dude. It’s a messageboard thread.

Heh. You really paid attention to all the stuff about different cultural practices regarding dogs on leashes, didn’t you?

You might want to consider the possibility that people have these attitudes for a reason.

I’ve twice been chased by neighborhood dogs while jogging. One time, the dog actually jumped up and put its front paws on my body. When I yelled at the owner to get his dog off me, he rolled his eyes as if I was being unreasonable and said “Relax, she’s friendly!” Btw, this was a dog that barked at me daily from within its fenced yard every time I walked past, which is NOT my idea of a friendly dog.

Another time, I was walking alone in the woods, just daydreaming and enjoying nature, when an enormous hound of the Baskervilles appeared at the top of a hill and started bounding straight toward me at top speed. There was no owner or any other person in sight. The first thought that came into my head was “If this dog bites me, there’s no one around to help me and I will have to walk miles with a bleeding dog bite just to get back to my car.” I’m nervous around dogs in general, so this situation was pretty terrifying to me. Fortunately, the dog just sniffed at me while I stood as still as possible with my heart racing and my hands trembling with fear. After a few minutes, a couple emerged from behind the hill, noticed me, and immediately burst into laughter at my silly reaction to their obviously harmless dog. “Oh don’t worry, she won’t hurt you! LOL!”

These are the sorts of experiences that cause people to demand that dogs be leashed and to proclaim the intention to defend themselves if necessary. A person can only be chased, barked at, jumped on or bitten a certain number of times before they become wary of any dog that isn’t obviously under the control of a person.

As I see it, the problem with these asshole dog owners is that because they know their precious little puppy would never hurt anyone, they fail to comprehend that the stranger being targeted by their dog doesn’t know and can’t assume that. Dog owners are punished only if their animal actually bites someone, but it can frighten people all day long with no consequences whatsoever. They don’t train or control their dogs because they have nothing to lose by their dog’s annoying or threatening behavior, as long at it stops short of biting.

Just the opinion of a dog-hating, militant, Robocop American. :rolleyes:

I’m sure they do; they#'d be insane people otherwise. But there are standards of reasonableness which appear to differ from one country to another. I’m curious about why this is so (I don’t, for example, believe that an American dog is more likely to attack someone than an English dog is - and I’m sure you don’t either - so it’s something about the people rather than the dogs).

I mean - if someone threatened my dog when he hadn’t done anything wrong, I’d be declaring my right to defend my dog quite vociferously. And I would, too, if I had to (hell, some kids threw stones at my dog while he waited outside a shop for me once, and I totally hulked out - luckily they ran). Violence against animals is only appropriate in self-defense, not imagined dangers.

:confused: I assumed you were going to talk about people being attacked by dogs, or witnessing an attack, or growing up in a culture where dogs are generally wild - those are all understandable reasons or disliking dogs and not trusting them to come anywhere near even on a lead.

But you’re talking about one dog jumping up at you (the owner should have kept that dog better trained, I agree) and another dog not jumping up at you, just walking near you off the leash in the woods. Do you really consider those traumatising experiences? I’m bewildered at the kind of lifestyle that would consider ‘dog went near me in the woods’ to be anything worth noting for even a second.

I’m a dog owner and can appreciate some of the dislike for roaming dogs. More than once on walks with my leashed dog had deal with people who just don’t get that everyone isn’t in love with their slobbering, playful bear. My dog had to have a serious discussion with the two free-range rottweilers once while the owner tried to explain to me how his dogs were actually quite friendly. I had to wonder if that was that the best use of his time just then.

Walking around Skyline drive in Virginia I see signs that dogs are not allowed in certain areas or that dogs have to be leashed. It’s almost certain that I’ll be approached by a random dog with his owner far behind. And my poor dog has to stay at home because I followed rules.

We Americans are a multi-tasking lot. We can yell at a dog hater, talk on the phone and deal some crack, all at the same time. From our car.

You can’t fool me - I know you don’t drive cars in parks. You jog and play frisbee. You also feed ducks, but only during those spy handovers.

Sorry for judging you based on your nationality.

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Yeah, that’s why I brought up standards if reasonableness. A dog not doing anything to you is not a reasonable basis to fear dogs. I don’t disagree that the poster in question does not fear dogs due to two incidents of a dog not doing anything to him/her, but that’s a standard if reasonableness that a reasonable person does not have to accommodate. Anyone can have unreasonable phobias; but the rest if society can’t function by going round acting just in case everyone has an unreasonable phobia.

The poster above believes a dog barking is not friendly. That’s fine - they can have that belief - but it’s as factually untrue as “cars give you an electric shock if you see them”; you can’t accommodate unreasonable beliefs.

All your responsibility is is to do no harm; you don’t have a responsibility to accommodate unreasonable beliefs or act as though everyone has a strange phobia.

Read the fucking thread.

ETA: Here, I’ll make it easy. From post 15:

Bahhh…

You know what the difference between an “unmanned” dog runing towards you to bite you and one that just runs towards you is?

The bite.

Up to that point they can look pretty much the same.

Shrug. I think people with “bill” in their username are a danger to me because a guy called Bill tried to start a fight with me once. Is it reasonable for me to scream at you for coming within 5 feet based solely on that unreasonable belief?

I do sympathise with people who are afraid of dogs; I really do. I’ll try to accomodate them if I can, despite the fact that their belief that they are in danger is erroneous.

Let’s put this in perspective - we’re talking about a dog - a* puppy - which trotted past five feet away. He didn’t look at the people in question. He didn’t approach them. He was permitted to be off-lead in that area, and was one of dozens of dogs off-lead in said area. This all in a society which legislatively agrees that dog leash restrictions are not appropriate unless said dog presents a danger (as in a legally reasonable condition of danger, not a paranoid danger because a dog looked strangely at you when you were six). A society in which I have not heard of a local dog attack ever* (although I have heard of plenty of random nutty people attacking people). Is screaming profanities *really *appropriate in this situation? Is that really better than saying “I’m sorry, I have a phobia about dogs due to an unusual situation some years back, would you be so kind as to walk in a different direction?”

If Candyman74 wanted your opinion, he’d give it to you. By posting a story in a forum called [strike]“You Must Agree With Me Completely”[/strike] “In My Humble Opinion.”

Anyballs, we’re only allowed to say, “Sheesh, what got into those two dog-hating bitches in the park?!? Their vulgarities really got out of hand!” in this thread. Thank you for your anticipated compliance.

HTH!