# People of Your Ideological Orientation That You Dislike **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 3, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017 "2016-04-03T02:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/21 "2016-04-04T11:03:29Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I agree with this (except I’m not a Christian). I would probably find myself on the same side of a lot of debates as Maher, and he can sometimes be funny. But he’s a jackoff. > > Keith Olbermann is also a pompous blowhard I happen to agree with sometimes. He has the amazing ability to turn a simple point into 10 minutes of bombast. His old “Worst Person in the World” bit could be amusing and/or informative at times. Other than that, I could only ever tolerate a few minutes of his shtick. I agree with all of this, for all the same reasons. I’ve also railed against Michael Moore on various occasions, based on his ability to take a valid position and attempt to bolster it using cheap shots, selective editing and occasionally completely manufactured evidence. If he took the time to do the work and present it properly he could have been a capable documentary maker but he’s intellectually lazy and cuts corners to make his points, weakening them heavily in the process. He can fuck right off IMO. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/22 "2016-04-04T12:15:59Z")
Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Cal Thomas. Just terrible, all of them. Most conservative pundits and writers aren’t very good, but those four are the worst of the worst. It’d be a shorter list to name the good ones: George Will, PJ O’Rourke, Bill Maher(when he’s arguing our side, fewer cut through the BS faster than Maher), Dennis Miller, Jonah Goldberg, Veronique Rugy, Avik Roy, Rannesh Ponnuru, Andrew Sullivan, Glenn Reynolds, Ross Douthat. It pisses me off too, because there are at least three times as many good liberal writers and pundits. There are whole sites dedicated to the large stable of quality liberal writers: TNR, Vox, The Prospect… The closest thing we conservatives have is National Review, and only about a quarter of the writers there are of any use. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/23 "2016-04-04T14:02:25Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Jeez, until you mentioned him, I had mercifully forgotten about Traficant . . . [and his infamous hair.](http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b0d44028d490fa83b9b9eeb3d35b042556545a1c/c=0-8-2000-1512&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/09/27/1411842960000-AP-TRAFICANT-TRIAL1.jpg) :eek: A curious assonance of names and hairdos (though AFAIK not of personal financial ethics): > **[Watch Tory MP shout 'BOLLOCKS!' at top volume in Parliament](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-mp-michael-fabricant-apologises-7516165)** > > Michael Fabricant blurted the "eight-letter word beginning with b and ending with cks" to bemoan a colleague who backed the EU ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/24 "2016-04-04T18:21:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ve also railed against Michael Moore on various occasions, based on his ability to take a valid position and attempt to bolster it using cheap shots, selective editing and occasionally completely manufactured evidence. If he took the time to do the work and present it properly he could have been a capable documentary maker but he’s intellectually lazy and cuts corners to make his points, weakening them heavily in the process. He can fuck right off IMO. Well said. Thank you! My own example: I am a lifelong Democrat, however I worked in the DC office of one of the senators from my state for two years between college and grad school and, among other things, left with a great deal of personal admiration for Bob Dole, whereas I cannot hear the name “John Kerry” without rolling my eyes in contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/25 "2016-04-04T18:31:08Z")
Chris Mathews is hard for me to take, although I assume we’re usually on the same page politically. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/26 "2016-04-04T19:48:52Z")
Bill Maher, who is a smug jackass. James Carville, who is just annoying and who looks like something out of _Alien_. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/27 "2016-04-04T19:54:42Z")
Al Sharpton can get right the fuck off my side. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/28 "2016-04-04T21:36:54Z")
There’s something decidedly iffy about the guy in the mirror. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/29 "2016-04-04T21:50:14Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > Not an American example, but I personally identify with the local Danish “Radical Left” party (radical solely in name), which is essentially a centre-left party of academics and other intellectuals. It’s the only party on the left that’s interested in somewhat fiscally responsible and _fair_ welfare politics (read: not effectively communism in all but name) whilst not simultaneously being willing to cut deals with the unfortunately rather large right-wing populist and unapologetically xenophobic “Danish People’s Party”. Funny you should say that. Were I Danish, I’d probably support the Social Democrats but I do find it regrettable that the Radical left Party is part of the Danish left bloc. I would much rather favour a majoritiarian, working-class popular front with the DPP that focuses on the preservation of the Danish welfare state and kick the austerian elitists out. > [@adaher](#): > > Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Cal Thomas. Just terrible, all of them. Most conservative pundits and writers aren’t very good, but those four are the worst of the worst. > > It’d be a shorter list to name the good ones: George Will, PJ O’Rourke, Bill Maher(when he’s arguing our side, fewer cut through the BS faster than Maher), Dennis Miller, Jonah Goldberg, Veronique Rugy, Avik Roy, Rannesh Ponnuru, Andrew Sullivan, Glenn Reynolds, Ross Douthat. > > It pisses me off too, because there are at least three times as many good liberal writers and pundits. There are whole sites dedicated to the large stable of quality liberal writers: TNR, Vox, The Prospect… The closest thing we conservatives have is National Review, and only about a quarter of the writers there are of any use. They don’t subscribe to your brand of “conservatism” but since you do seem to like Ross Douthat, why not the [American Conservative](http://www.theamericanconservative.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/30 "2016-04-04T23:16:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The closest thing we conservatives have is National Review, and only about a quarter of the writers there are of any use. Jonah Goldberg is great though. And I’m rather far from an american conservative. So I guess I sort of answered the opposite question of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/31 "2016-04-04T23:25:42Z")
I’ve met some people who work for the Bernie Sanders campaign. Some of the people there have a very naive assumption about what Sanders can actually do, and/or they hate Hillary so much that they don’t seem to think there is a difference between the two parties. I think some of them are so young that they were not politically awake when Gore v Bush happened in 2000\* (a college student today was about 5 when that happened), and now there are a bunch of young people running around who think there is no difference between the 2 parties (unless Sanders wins the nomination). I admire their enthusiasm, but their level of naiveness about how the political system works, what the president can accomplish, and what separates the major parties is annoying. \*Had Gore won then there wouldn’t have been an Iraq war. Plus I’ve heard the Clinton administration took terrorism more seriously than the Bush admin did in the first 9 months, so maybe 9/11 could’ve been stopped. But that is pure speculation. Even with 9/11, with Gore we would’ve invaded the right country at least. Lots of young people weren’t politically conscious back then so they can revert to the old ‘the 2 parties are exactly the same’ tripe now. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/32 "2016-04-05T01:27:06Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Jeez, until you mentioned him, I had mercifully forgotten about Traficant . . . [and his infamous hair.](http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b0d44028d490fa83b9b9eeb3d35b042556545a1c/c=0-8-2000-1512&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/09/27/1411842960000-AP-TRAFICANT-TRIAL1.jpg) :eek: Wait a second! He’s wearing a denim suit jacket, with a denim shirt (& tie). I’ve never seen such a formal Puerto Rican tuxedo (No, I didn’t make up the term) before & you’re complaining about some hardly unique road-kill sitting on his head? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/33 "2016-04-05T09:13:39Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > There’s something decidedly iffy about the guy in the mirror. 🙂 Well yeah, I hate that guy too. Always eyeballing me. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/34 "2016-04-05T16:04:45Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > IOn the other hand, my fellow liberal Democrats irritate the living bejeezus out of me with the condescension, if not outright contempt, with which they regard the rural, white poor. I’ll +5 (or how many ever it is) this. It’s just sometimes so apparent… and utterly disgusting. I wonder when they are calling someone a white trash redneck and then wondering why they won’t vote for our candidate if they simply can’t put 2 and 2 together. Also people who view compromise as some sort of dirty word (I thought this was only on the other side, but it’s infected my side as well). As a Christian, I get really disgusted with the exclusivist and culture-war portions of our faith. At the same time, I also shake my head at those Christians who are so accommodating and everyone is really believing in the same thing mindset you have to wonder why they consider themselves “Christian” at all. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/35 "2016-04-05T16:17:42Z")
He’s my party but I hate Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/36 "2016-04-05T16:30:00Z")
Seconded, big time. Not a fan of Ted cruz, even though I agree with him on most issues. There’s a way to go about doing things and his way is not the right way. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/37 "2016-04-05T18:57:01Z")
I’m a liberal who hates peddlers of woo. I hate many many people of my ideological orientation. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017/38 "2016-04-05T22:05:47Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Who are some politicians, pundits, writers, bloggers, and the like of your own ideological orientation that you dislike? Bill Maher, as others in this thread have also noted. Alan Grayson, who seems like kind of an asshole. Beloved lefty blogger [Digby](http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/). I was a devoted fan of her blog until the 2008 elections and her relentlessly negative “Obama is blowing it” posts. Along the same lines, I detest Glenn Greenwald and his humorless, aloof disapproval of everything and everybody. Ted Rall, who called for Obama’s resignation within weeks of his inauguration. He lost me for good with his tweet demanding that Black Lives Matter get off their lazy asses and help him get his job back. James Howard Kunstler, who has made an entire career of predicting imminent social collapse (first from Y2K, then from peak oil). He believes that the entire United States will descend into Mad-Max-style anarchy any second now — except for white people living in the Northeast, because they’re awesome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-of-your-ideological-orientation-that-you-dislike/751017.md?page=1)