Liars, all. If they had a shred of honesty, they would have to admit that these silly prevarications they spew have meaning and matter to them, and that it comes from a deeply egotistical, deliberately delusional place.
They can’t think of anything to do
Their left brains ‘know’ that All Truth is fleeting
They’re just looking for something new
I’ve told you all of this before, but it bears repeating
(Apologies to the White Stripes)
Teenage Angst: The feeling of the “ugh-I’m-so-misunderstood-what-is-life?” part of adolescence. While this coming of age emotional turmoil may seem like a drag at times, don’t worry. There is a purpose and cure. By definition, angst is a feeling of anxiety about your life or situation.
Not at all. I find this a lazy way to dismiss morality and weasel out of doing what is right. Frequently because the idea that we may be wrong makes us uncomfortable.
Conclusion not grounded in evidence.
Objectively, there is NO reason for our existence other than that life began on this planet and a lifeform capable of reason evolved. You can decide that it therefore has no meaning, or you can decide that this allows you to create meaning in your life.
As I’ve said repeatedly on this board; There is no Justice, there is no fairness in the Universe. But the beauty of being Human is that we have the ability to conceive of these things and to create them in our world and in our lives.
Yes, your posts have shown a profound discomfort with yourself and the whole idea of truth. You don’t like what you see, so you deny it and you deny the very idea of truth, because that is easier and less uncomfortable than facing yourself.
Absolutely true, doesn’t mean that nothing is true.
Assuming facts not in evidence. You have no idea if people question their own beliefs in their head and I can tell you that many if not most people do.
Again, your assumptions, your decisions, your belief. That last sentence is complete bullshit based on the fact that YOU haven’t found any. Yet.
It’s actually not BS, you want there to be some kind of solid truth out there but that doesn’t make it so. Science itself doesn’t give truth, just approximate statements.
Looking inside doesn’t mean you will find anything, or even if you do there is nothing to indicate it as good or bad. Maybe socially some things are but that doesn’t say anything about right and wrong. As much as we like to believe in such things right and wrong don’t exist.
Morality itself is little more than an “because I say so”. Even what is right is little more than that.
I question truth because all you get are interpretations of experience but that’s not exactly truth.
Saying there is no truth would be a safe statement, not a weasel word. You want certainty or something you can hold instead of the uncertainty that is life. Especially “doing what’s right”, like that means anything (its quite funny to hear it, like it’s something solid you can point to). It’s accepting that even if I were to look there isn’t a guarantee that I’ll find anything or that what I find is truth. It’s like meditation or drug that lead to altered states. All they prove is that those practices lead to that state, they say nothing about reality.
Existence itself is empty and trying to make it anything other than what it is would be wrapping yourself in an illusion just to be comfortable. I think that is one statement that he makes that probably has any merit.
It’s funny how some people say “question everything”, like that gets you anywhere.
I beg your pardon, but nobody promised anyone a rose garden.
Remember Badger’s Law:
“Websites with the word “Truth” in the URL have none in the posted content.”
Someone knows very little about science here, and it isn’t me.
The Sun exists. That is objective truth. There’s nothing subjective or approximate about it.
This would indicate that you have issues determining right from wrong and are seeking excuses to do as you please and ignore such things.
Simple questions: Is it wrong to kill random people you meet? Is it wrong to strangle your friend’s children in their cribs? Is rape wrong?
Because if you think those things are not wrong simply because there is no right or wrong, you’re a sociopath and lacking both conscience and empathy. In which case I’m done engaging you.
Ah yes, Nihilism. See how far that gets you in life.
Nihilism was OP’s first œuvre d’art to our little corner of the internet. He’s toned it down a bit but it remains the underlying theme in his every new topic. One could speculate, it’s his muse.
Perhaps some day he’ll recognize his own “truth” here is just the same sort of illusion he rails against.
It’s taking longer…
I couldn’t help bringing to mind this Walker Percy quote:
"Small disconnected facts, if you take note of them, have a way of becoming connected.
“The truth is just an excuse for a lack of imagination.”-Elim Garak
People do have a desire for certainty. Needing to know things and being unable to ascertain whether or not you really do is not a particularly pleasant experience for most people.
The scientific method boils down in many ways to disavowing that and trying to start off with the fewest number of preconceptions about what’s being investigated, and trying to be explicit about the ones that are being used; and the results are, ideally, carefully presented not as proof but as supportive of a given model – or, even more formally, as the failure to show a given model to be demonstrably false.
But even so, so powerful is our love for certainty that vast numbers of people interpret the body of science’s findings as if they were guaranteed truths, things we totally know for absolute certain.
Of course, approaches to knowledge outside of the scientific method approach are far more rife with claims of infallible knowledge and guaranteed certainty.
By the way Machinaforce, I agree with you. The question is: how can you use this observation in a productive way, not as a rhetorical device you flog to a fault?
If a Human who is too certain of their definition of Truth is annoying, you are stating that Humans should be humble and accept that Truth is a dynamic, complex thing, that they, a frail Human, can’t fully grasp, right?
According to the website i first linked:
The emperor has no clothes, and sooner or later everyone is going to see what’s staring them right in the face. When that happens, perhaps, there will be a major shift—a mass exodus away from the complexity and futility of all spiritual teachings. An exodus not outward toward Japan or India or Tibet, but inward, toward the self—toward self-reliance, toward self-determination, toward a common sense approach to figuring out just what the hell’s going on around here. A wiping of the slate. A fresh start. Sincere, intelligent people dispensing with the past and beginning anew. Beginning by asking themselves, “Okay, where are we? What do we know for sure? What do we know that’s true?”
Here’s a simple test. If it’s soothing or comforting, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy; if it’s about getting into pleasant emotional or mental states; if it’s about peace, love, tranquility, silence or bliss; if it’s about a brighter future or a better tomorrow; if it makes you feel good about yourself or boosts your self-esteem, tells you you’re okay, tells you everything’s just fine the way it is; if it offers to improve, benefit or elevate you, or if it suggests that someone else is better or above you; if it’s about belief or faith or worship; if it raises or alters consciousness; if it combats stress or deepens relaxation, or if it’s therapeutic or healing, or if it promises happiness or relief from unhappiness, if it’s about any of these or similar things, then it’s not about waking up. Then it’s about living in the dreamstate, not smashing out of it.
On the other hand, if it feels like you’re being skinned alive, if it feels like a prolonged evisceration, if you feel your identity unraveling, if it twists you up physically and drains your health and derails your life, if you feel love dying inside you, if it seems like death would be better, then it’s probably the process of awakening.
And also:
I like happiness as much as the next guy, but it’s not happiness that sends one in search of truth. It’s rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell. This isn’t about higher consciousness or self-discovery or heaven on earth. This is about blood-caked swords and Buddha’s rotting head and self-immolation, and anyone who says otherwise is selling something they don’t have.
The Sun existing is an assumption, if asked to “prove it does” you can’t. That doesn’t mean I won’t burn or anything like that if I stay out too long, but trying to prove that something exists is tricky.
Your examples of morality don’t get around the fact that it is a subjective matter. Right and wrong are not objective and change more often than I would like. You can argue why murder and such are “wrong” but it would ultimately boil down to “because I or someone else says so”.
Alright, you’ve proven my point. I’ll stop engaging you.
Are those the only two choices? :dubious:
No pie?
You’ve shown how little you understand. Right and wrong are things that sound evident but the more you delve into them the less solid they become. That’s the problem of morality.
That’s what I thought. It’s like he’s taking “the truth hurts” to a logical extreme, but doesn’t that color ones view of truth? What if it doesn’t hurt? What if he’s wrong? Progress (if it’s a thing) doesn’t always involve pain. The truth doesn’t hurt all the time, sometimes the lie hurts more.