# People shouldn't cook meat on Friday **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741 "2003-10-10T21:56:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/81 "2003-10-22T01:43:45Z")
It’s Monday, The Ryan. You know that you should not post on Monday, particularly when your post is nonsensical. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/82 "2003-10-22T02:24:32Z")
Or maybe it is Wednesday, The Ryan, another day you should not post. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/83 "2003-10-22T17:13:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*So if someone knows that others find him to be short, and he continues to be short, it must be a deliberate choice? It’s not like I say “well, I know people won’t understand this, but I don’t care”. I don’t see how having someone think that I was saying that someone was wrong was a foreseeable consequence of saying that they don’t have a point. \*\* I assume that by posting here, you’re attempting to communicate ideas. You’ve had quite a bit of evidence that your attempts fall short of actual communication of your thoughts. Yet you continue to post in the same manner. What else are we to think? consider this: if you were posting in Sanskrit and folks kept saying “Huh?”, would you still make this same argument? When people do not understand what you consider to be an ‘obvious’ communication of an idea, the polite, and practical thing to do would be to attempt, again to communicate that idea using different words. However, instead of re-stating in different ways, your point, you continue to post ‘it’s obvious what I meant’ If this happened only once or twice, or only with some certain folks, I’d say you had a point. But it’s a continual throbbing drum beat. IIRC, there was even a thread where someone ( **xeno** maybe??) spent a long ass time trying to decipher what you considered to be obvious. Most of us aren’t willing to devote hours on the project. Now, if communicating your ideas **isn’t** your main reason to post, then hell, continue to post in the same way you do. But if you **do** in fact wish to communicate effectively with others, you really need to try and do that. For example - you felt your entire idea was effectively communicated by the use of one word, others stepped in and either responded to a wrong interpretation **or** said ‘huh?’ How about **clarifying** something you said? just for a good mental exercise, hmmm?? I am honestly trying to help you out here. What you believe to be obviously clear thoughts **aren’t** getting through as obvious or communication. On a fairly regular basis. Now, if you respond by picking partial quotes out and re-defining the terms and so on, be advised, in advance, I’ll officially give up and consider that as proof that communication of ideas is **not** your main desire. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/84 "2003-10-22T20:38:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > Yet you continue to post in the same manner. What else are we to think? I have shown that I have a problem with that argument, yet you continue to post it, without addressing my response. What am I to think? > [@](#): > > consider this: if you were posting in Sanskrit and folks kept saying “Huh?”, would you still make this same argument? That’s a poor analogy, as it’s pretty clear what “Post in English rather than Sanskrit” means. “People don’t understand you, so you should post in a more clear manner”, however, is more like telling a sprinter “You seem to be losing a lot of races lately. My advice is that you might want to run faster”. Can’t you see how silly such advice is? > [@](#): > > When people do not understand what you consider to be an ‘obvious’ communication of an idea, the polite, and practical thing to do would be to attempt, again to communicate that idea using different words. However, instead of re-stating in different ways, your point, you continue to post ‘it’s obvious what I meant’ I don’t see that that is accurate. First of all, you sneak in an implication that I am rude, but in this thread and the linked one, it is others that are acting rudely (and engaging in what appears to be flagrant post padding). And as for your central claim, I don’t see that at all. When have I simply said that it is obvious, without attempting further clarafication? It certainly isn’t my normal mode of operation. > [@](#): > > IIRC, there was even a thread where someone ( **xeno** maybe??) spent a long ass time trying to decipher what you considered to be obvious. No, you don’t recall correctly, as it was in fact xeno who refused to clarify the point that I was missing, insisting that it was obvious. > [@](#): > > How about **clarifying** something you said? just for a good mental exercise, hmmm?? The issue is not that I did not attempt a clarafication, but that the clarafication was not satisfactory, and that somehow makes me a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/85 "2003-10-22T20:53:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*Now, if you respond by picking partial quotes out and re-defining the terms and so on, be advised, in advance, I’ll officially give up and consider that as proof that communication of ideas is **not** your main desire. \*\* well, that question is answered anyhow. Next up, which came first, the chicken or the egg. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/86 "2003-10-22T22:14:27Z")
> [@](#): > > _The Ryan_ > That’s a poor analogy, as it’s pretty clear what “Post in English rather than Sanskrit” means. “People don’t understand you, so you should post in a more clear manner”, however, is more like telling a sprinter “You seem to be losing a lot of races lately. My advice is that you might want to run faster”. Can’t you see how silly such advice is? Actually, I believe what most people are telling you isn’t “Run faster,” it’s “Stop running.” You’ve been posting regularly here for four years now, and you still can’t communicate worth a damn. Give it up, already. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/87 "2003-10-22T22:25:27Z")
or, more to the point, you **believe** that you’re running, when, in fact, those watching you are seeing you crawling backwards. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/88 "2003-10-26T21:50:51Z")
wring “well, that question is answered anyhow.” If you avoid responding to my points by referring to some arbirtrary criterion that you presented, I will conclude that **you** are not interested in communicating. I still don’t see why it is that although it was Coldfire that presented false statements, I am the one considered to not be interested in communication. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/89 "2003-10-26T22:02:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*I am the one considered to not be interested in communication. \*\* It’s not that anyone thinks that you’re not interested in communication. We think you’re inept at it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/90 "2003-10-26T22:17:54Z")
Do you talk like this in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/91 "2003-10-26T22:44:58Z")
Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. It all sounds like blah blah blah to me. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/92 "2003-10-26T23:19:22Z")
What day is this, and he’s still nattering on? A true exemplar of obsfucation. He seems to think that maligning Coldfire over and over and over is somehow appropriate. What an ass. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/93 "2003-10-27T02:41:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mauvaise \* > \*\*First: I’m not Catholic, but didn’t they drop the whole meat on a Friday is a sin thing quite a few years back? \*\* Apparently, it’s still a sin in the Buffalo Diocese. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/94 "2003-10-27T19:01:58Z")
Ryan, I believe you’ve committed a _dipso shitto_ fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/95 "2003-10-27T21:22:32Z")
OK, **The Ryan** , I’ll be on your side. See? I’m being nice to you. I like you. We’re buddies. You trust your friend don’t you? Good. Now, let’s look at what everybody’s saying. Oh jeez, they insulted you. That’s bad. Tell you what, because we’re buddies, I’ll take all those nasty insults away. OK buddy? Now, after all those mean ol’ insults are gone, here is what’s left: \*\*\* They don’t understand you. \*\*\* See? All the bad insults are gone. All that leaves is pure and simple fact. Look at it again. The bold type between the two stars. \*\*\* They don’t understand you. \*\*\* See buddy? Isn’t that simple? OK, good. by the way, we’re no longer friends. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/96 "2003-10-28T22:10:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by A Monkey With a Gun \* > \*\*It’s not that anyone thinks that you’re not interested in communication. > > We think you’re inept at it. \*\* So me thinking that wring saying “I’ll officially give up and consider that as proof that communication of ideas is not your main desire” means that she is questioning my interest in communication… that’s an example of my ineptness? And Coldfire’s claim “You are not interested in engaging someone in debate”… thinking that is somehow an assertion disputing my interest in communication shows, I take, just how little I comprehend the English language? Muffin > [@](#): > > He seems to think that maligning Coldfire over and over and over is somehow appropriate. Apparently you don’t have a problem with people maligning others as long it isn’t me that is doing it. What have I said about Coldfire that is untrue? Or have you gone from condoning malignment to engaging in it? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/97 "2003-10-28T22:17:30Z")
see this is what confuses people. You can, apparently, at will **choose** to communicate effectively. Hence my assumption that when you’re being obtuse, that it’s a conscious choice. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/98 "2003-10-29T01:50:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*What have I said about Coldfire that is untrue? \*\* Remember all those other days you were not supposed to post? Here is a sampling of the little balls of deficate derision you spewed out. You should be ashamed of yourself. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > **Moderaters get to lie about posters** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*Apparently Coldfire doesn’t see anything wrong with completely rewriting an exchange. And apparently the “don’t be a jerk” rule doesn’t apply to him. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > **This from someone who lied about what I said** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > **a moderator insulting, yelling, and completely losing it** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > **Weaseling out** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > **you yelling screaming because you didn’t like my response, you insulting me and saying that I said things that I never said** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > \*\*it was Coldfire that presented false statements \*\* ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/99 "2003-10-29T06:39:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > see this is what confuses people. You can, apparently, at will **choose** to communicate effectively. > > Hence my assumption that when you’re being obtuse, that it’s a conscious choice. That strikes me as circular reasoning. Your premise is simply your conclusion in a different form. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741/100 "2003-10-29T06:54:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Muffin \* > \*Originally posted by The Ryan \* > Moderaters get to lie about posters I asked for an example of something that I said about Coldfire that was untrue, and you can’t come up with anything. Some are sentence fragments, and therefore neither true nor untrue. All of your quotes of my actual statements of fact are true. If you had a case to the contrary, you could have presented it. Instead you post the above, a flat out lie. I never said that Moderators get to lie about posters. As I understand it, your presentation of something I did not say in a quote box with my name at the top is against forum rules. If this understanding is incorrect, I believe that I am entitled to have this clarified by the appropriate authorities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-shouldnt-cook-meat-on-friday/206741.md?page=6)