# People Who Are Ignorant About Casino Life (RANT) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670 "2015-07-31T20:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/61 "2015-08-02T22:49:44Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Poker and casinos in general are neither pathetic degenerate activities (if not overdone) nor glamorous (unless you’re James Bond). It’s just so fucking boring it boggles the mind grown up people want to spend more than ten seconds on it. I used to play Uno card game with my kids, fortunately they’ve grown too old for that shit. Poker is a few steps below Uno. It depends on who your with, if you’re looking for some laughs and have some money to burn, I’m not seeing casino gambling as any worse than, say, general aviation. On the other hand, claiming any of these games require any form of intellectual thought is an over-reach I think. If you want to impress me, play chess. Uno with kids doesn’t really compare with blackjack with beautiful women dressed to the nines. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/62 "2015-08-03T05:57:07Z")
Wasn’t it in “Witches Abroad” where Nanny Ogg got taken by some riverboat gamblers and, upon hearing that, Granny Weatherwax went out and taught them how to really play Cripple Mister Onion? Of course, I wouldn’t want to play cards against Granny. she beat DEATH in a game with a pair of fours. All DEATH had was a pair of ones. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/63 "2015-08-03T06:37:41Z")
I knew some people who were fond of Skitgubbe or Hurtenflurst. Remarkably complicated game. I tried it once and fled in dismay. “Cerebus hates ‘cute’ card games!” And, yeah… Roulette is fun…for about ten minutes. Blackjack is fun…for about ten minutes. Poker night with the boys can be fun…if you’re all pretty good friends, the stakes are nickel-dime, and you’re somewhere that you don’t have anything better to do. But even then, some jasper will want to play something screwy, like “Buck” and the whole thing turns into “fairy chess.” At least with Strip Poker, there’s a purpose! ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/64 "2015-08-03T06:39:01Z")
Okay, I just checked. It was “Masquerade”. DEATH and Granny were playing for the soul of a baby. DEATH had 4 aces. Granny showed 4 queens. He pondered it for a moment, and then said “I LOSE. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.” ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/65 "2015-08-03T12:46:23Z")
The OP hasn’t posted at all since starting this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/66 "2015-08-03T13:06:37Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Okay, I just checked. It was “Masquerade”. DEATH and Granny were playing for the soul of a baby. DEATH had 4 aces. Granny showed 4 queens. He pondered it for a moment, and then said “I LOSE. ALL I HAVE IS FOUR ONES.” And then he winked. I miss Pratchett. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/67 "2015-08-03T14:01:54Z")
Yosemite Sam vs. Bugs Bunny playing five card draw … “Hot tooting, I’ve got 7 Kings”, “Well, Doc, I’ve got nine Aces” … gun fire ensued … ---
**Author:** ![Arrogant\_B\_st\_rd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cdc98d/32.png) [@Arrogant\_B\_st\_rd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogant_B_st_rd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/68 "2015-08-03T17:04:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You complain about people calling poker a “degenerate activity” and then go on to call people playing craps degenerates? Yes. Craps will beat you out of money in the long run. You used to can beat craps by practicing dice control but now the casinos caught on to that, and designed the crap tables where it’s nearly impossible to do such. Anyone who put tons of money in craps is a gambling addicted degenerate. Also, craps players tend to get their money form selling drugs or gov’t checks. Any money that they win is spent on coke and hookers. Definition of a degenerate. Poker players are usually normal guys who are students, businessmen, or gamer geeks. > [@RickJay](#): > > Reading tells is of limited use at any level of poker. Man, I don’t know how much 1/2 you play, but at 1/2 NL you can play about as well as you possibly can without even looking at your opponents’ faces at all. Play solid ABC poker, avoid tangling with anyone who plays like they know what they’re doing, and you’ll do fine. > > The notion of “tells” being of much use at all in poker is ten or fifteen years out of date. Nobody out there is giving away their flopped full house with an obvious tell. Everyone knows the tells and has read Mike Caro, and if you do see a tell there’s no way to know if it’s legitimate or the person read the same part of Caro you did and is trying to bullshit you. Agreed. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Well it looks like you got the poker covered so how are the buffets at the casinos? The buffets are usually awful. Except for the champagne brunches, unlimited omelets and champagne! Check out the steak houses and Italian restaurants, they are usually pretty good. > [@Emiliana](#): > > I think he’s auditioning for Buzzfeed: > > 20 ways to totally win women! > > 10 things you’d never guess about poker! No. But I used to write for Demand Media. > [@dropzone](#): > > I wouldn’t know, since I have no idea who you are and you just joined last month and only an obsessive person would have “mentioned it that often” in the time you’ve been here. But I’ll play along. > I would think it’s losing money, but carry on. > Some people enjoy gambling. Some enjoy it to excess, like my buddy who lives in his truck because all his money is lost on the ponies. I find it pathetic and sad for too many people to think of it as anything like glamorous, especially since it’s done in those ghastly temples to Mammon, which are far too tacky to not be Hell to a person of breeding. If to you Donald Trump is an arbiter of good taste, then have fun without me. > Example, Stu Ungar, a nerd and, not a degenerate, but obnoxious and an addict. But he was a FOAF, so I can’t say too much against him. > I know I’m scared. And have total respekt for your mad skillz. > Part of my friend’s problem is that he drives/lives in a pickup, not a van. A tip for you to plan ahead. > If it’s gambling you’re doing it wrong. I only play poker with drunken salesmen. > Hold 'Em is a girl game, with all the silliness that comes from that. More specifically, it’s a children’s game. I base that on a remaindered kid’s book on it I saw, including cards and chips, but not the feathered cowboy hat. > No argument. > Well, it is, isn’t it? No skill whatsoever. Just the fantasy that you can make the dice land your way. It would be faster if you swiped your credit card and let a random number generator play for you. You’re proving my point. You don’t know much about poker. > [@Monty](#): > > So, according to you, poker is gambling. For your sake, I hope you’re better/luckier at poker than you are at communicating. I mean to say that _people_ consider poker as gambling. > [@Grumman](#): > > It means that even a perfectly random series will have seemingly nonrandom stretches in it, and that you cannot automatically put a string of wins or losses down to good play or bad play. > > Personally, I tend towards the “pathetic degenerate activity” end of the spectrum. As a form of employment poker is crap, it’s got more in common with a pyramid scheme than gainful employment, since it’s all about the players passing a finite amount of money among themselves as it is slowly whittled away by the rake. And as a form of entertainment, even among card games there are better games which are not reliant on ante to be interesting. First paragraph. Agreed. Second paragraph, you’ve must have played in some really shitty poker games, if you described it as that. ☹ > [@GreenElf](#): > > As a professional poker player, I’d think you’d want people to have as uninformed an opinion as they can possibly have about poker, so you can rake it in against casual players. You have no reason to be angry if they think it’s gambling like craps or don’t understand the various aspects of profitable play such as tells. That’s true. The more suckers the better. Sometimes my ego gets in the way. I wish poker would be viewed as a more prestigious thing, but in reality if more smart and disciplined people started playing poker, we’ll be in big trouble. > [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Casinos exist to exploit fools. Different casino games appeal to different people in the hierarchy of fools. If you’re really foolish you play slots. If you’re less foolish you play poker. Blackjack is somewhere in the middle. But you’re still a mark, regardless. It depends on how successful of a poker player you are. > [@PastTense](#): > > If “the worst thing about playing poker is dealing with people’s perception about the game”, then why do you ever mention what you do? Instead just choose an extremely boring job nobody has the remotest interest in–so they will quickly change the subject whenever they ask what you do. It’s hard to fake careers these days… > [@digs](#): > > Oh, I’d bet a ten-dollar chip that he already has that “day job” that he could mention. But “sandwich artist” doesn’t have that intimidation factor (that he pretends to sneer at). > > Cite: I play poker with a guy that could quit his job and play professionally, but he figured out how much time he’d have to put in and his hourly rate is much better at his “real” job. > His advice: “The next time someone tells you they won a couple hundred at poker, ask 'em how long it took. They may have played all afternoon and night and made a whopping ten bucks an hour.” Your friend needs to reevaluate his poker skills, or he needs better table selection skills. > [@Rune](#): > > Poker and casinos in general are neither pathetic degenerate activities (if not overdone) nor glamorous (unless you’re James Bond). It’s just so fucking boring it boggles the mind grown up people want to spend more than ten seconds on it. I used to play Uno card game with my kids, fortunately they’ve grown too old for that shit. Poker is a few steps below Uno. If you’re comparing poker to uno, you obviously have not played enough poker. > [@russian\_heel](#): > > LOL as if sitting for hours on end playing cards is productive behavior for society. The OP probably has no idea how to even play craps. :dubious: > > Which is more degenerate BTW? A camaraderie of dice players rooting for and supporting the shooter to roll a good number so together, everyone can beat the house, or a bunch of card sharps either trying to screw each other out of money or worse, take advantage of inexperienced players trying their hand at learning a new game? > > Furthermore, I’ve sat at enough poker tables v craps tables to tell you the manners of many poker players make craps players seem like British royalty. Not if you’re a woman. Craps players treat women like shit. > [@Conspicuous\_Conspiracist](#): > > Has anyone noticed that the OP starts these asinine topics, yet never returns with follow-ups? > > (Requesting name change to S\*muel _d_ms before it’s taken.) Huh? > [@bucketybuck](#): > > This right here is instant proof that you are not a poker pro. > > The poker world cannot exist without all the new people who think they can play but really can’t, All poker pros know this, there is nothing more pleasing to the eye of a poker pro, and a casino in general, then a person who thinks they can win. See above replies. > [@Smeghead](#): > > The OP hasn’t posted at all since starting this thread. I have things to do, places to go, people to see. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogant\_B\_st\_rd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cdc98d/32.png) [@Arrogant\_B\_st\_rd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogant_B_st_rd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/69 "2015-08-03T17:08:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > _Diamonds Are Forever_ and _Vegas Vacation,_ actually. 😛 > [@A hustler told me a bald face lie!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-hustler-told-me-a-bald-face-lie/725971/30): > > Whenever I’m in Oklahoma, I always stop at the Two Diamonds casino. The owner will come out and talk to you sometimes, which is a lot of fun, especially when he adopts one of his trademark wacky personas. > [@Date humiliates me by bring budlight lime to a craft beer party!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/date-humiliates-me-by-bring-budlight-lime-to-a-craft-beer-party/724947/45): > > You and Sherry sound like two absolute diamonds, **Arrogant Bastard**. What’s up with the mentioning of “diamonds” in my threads? Is this some kind of inside joke that I’m not aware of? 😕 I’m in no way affiliated with diamonds. They are associated with stupid showing off, old fashion dating rituals, and smuggling. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/70 "2015-08-03T17:20:27Z")
Since you don’t seem to mind sharing your intimacies anonymously on this MB, what is your mental health diagnosis OP? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/71 "2015-08-03T17:51:24Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > This right here is instant proof that you are not a poker pro. > > The poker world cannot exist without all the new people who think they can play but really can’t, All poker pros know this, there is nothing more pleasing to the eye of a poker pro, and a casino in general, then a person who thinks they can win. They’re called fish and any group of poker players needs a constant diet of them. The second rule of poker\* is when you sit down, look around the table to see if you can spot the fish. If you can’t, it’s you. \*The first is don’t play with a man called Doc. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/72 "2015-08-03T18:13:06Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Since you don’t seem to mind sharing your intimacies anonymously on this MB, Also on average how many times a week are you having sex? How big is your wing-wang? When was the last time you put peanut butter on your wing-wang and had the dog lick it off? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/73 "2015-08-03T18:14:21Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > How big is your wing-wang? Did you skip the other threads? ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/74 "2015-08-03T18:33:24Z")
I’m completely ignorant about “casino life”, and having read your descriptions, choose to remain so. Blissfully. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/75 "2015-08-03T19:20:16Z")
At this point, it is obvious that the OP is just your garden variety troll, and a rather stupid one at that. His comments on “dice control” prove he knows nothing. Diamonds, diamonds, diamonds! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/76 "2015-08-03T20:42:19Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I’m completely ignorant about “casino life”, and having read your descriptions, choose to remain so. Blissfully. There’s that! He’s done a good service for many of us, guiding us away to more compatible pastimes. I was really sad to hear him say that the buffets aren’t very good. That was one of the very few remaining reasons I might have wanted ever to visit a casino. (He may well be wrong: I’ve heard only good about the buffets in the Indian Casinos here in San Diego County. Barona, Viejas, etc. Friends of mine go there quite often, and come back very happy…and stuffed. Oh, yeah, and they tend to lose a little money at gaming, too!) At least the racetrack gives you a horse-show for your money. Watching the nags run is impressive, at least the first few times. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/77 "2015-08-03T21:51:47Z")
If you travel up to Vegas, the buffets range from bad to outstanding. Top marks going to Caesars Palace, Wynn, Cosmo, and M Resort. In SoCal but not in San Diego County, the buffet at Fantasy Springs in La Quinta is small but very good. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/78 "2015-08-03T23:34:27Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > When was the last time you put peanut butter on your wing-wang and had the dog lick it off? Who…me? Oh, the last time I did that was back in ’05. I didn’t enlist my dog as the licker, however—that’s seems kind of desperate if you ask me. I used my pet gator, _Mr. Snappy_. …It did not go as I anticipated, I’m sad to say. I’m not happy with Mr. Snappy. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/79 "2015-08-04T00:32:28Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > …and have some money to burn… I’ve heard the term, but never had the experience! ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-are-ignorant-about-casino-life-rant/726670/80 "2015-08-04T00:39:04Z")
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