# People who aren't vaccinated - what should they be called? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [May 3, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314 "2021-05-03T19:06:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/101 "2021-05-05T22:10:01Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > So, maybe another month or two? I’m not sure how long it typically takes the FDA to respond to such requests. The article says it could be as soon as next week. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/102 "2021-05-05T22:25:09Z")
For full fda approval for 16+? I thought next week was just the expected date for an EUA for kids 12-15. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/103 "2021-05-05T23:08:11Z")
The article says Pfizer may apply for full approval next month. The more imminent thing is an EUA for 12-15. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/104 "2021-05-12T19:24:34Z")
This article talks about a group of people who can’t afford to take the day off from work to get the vaccine or have some logistical problem of getting vaccinated. Like with most things, the poor have less access to what they need. Vaccines are no exception. A graph shows that the less money people have, the less likely they are to be vaccinated. > **[They Haven’t Gotten a Covid Vaccine Yet. But They Aren’t ‘Hesitant’ Either....](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/covid-vaccines-vulnerable.html)** > > Much has been said about people opposed to or skeptical of coronavirus vaccines. But there’s another group that has yet to get shots, and their reasons are more complex. > [@](#): > > If the attention has centered on the vaccine hesitant, these are the vaccine amenable. In interviews, their stated reasons for not getting vaccines are disparate, complex and sometimes shifting. > > They are, for the most part, America’s working class, contending with jobs and family obligations that make for scarce discretionary time. About half of them live in households with incomes of less than $50,000 a year; another 30 percent have annual household incomes between $50,000 and $100,000, according to an analysis of the census data by Justin Feldman, a social epidemiologist at Harvard. Eighty-one percent do not have a college degree. Some have health issues or disabilities or face language barriers that can make getting inoculated against Covid seem daunting. Others don’t have a regular doctor, and some are socially isolated. > > Technically, they have access to the vaccine. Practically, it’s not that simple. > > “Hesitancy makes a better story because you’ve got controversy,” said Tom Frieden, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “But there’s a bigger problem of access than there is of hesitancy.” > . . . > In fact, among Americans who said they were willing to get the vaccine, the higher a person’s income, the more likely the person was to be vaccinated, according to Dr. Feldman’s analysis of the census data. > > In that group, 93 percent of adults in households earning between $150,000 and $199,000 a year had been vaccinated as of April 30; while only 76 percent of those earning less than $25,000 a year had gotten at least one shot. > > “It helps break this question down of attitude versus access,” Dr. Feldman said. “With people who have not been vaccinated, some are disinclined, but others are facing structural barriers.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/105 "2021-05-13T17:24:09Z")
And this is why I keep saying in the topic about whether it’s ethical to pay someone to get the Covid vaccine: > [@Is it ethical to pay someone to get the Covid vaccine?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-ethical-to-pay-someone-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/941426/80): > > I said this above, but didn’t get any response. Maybe i didn’t make the argument clearly enough: given that healthy young people often are sick enough to lose a day’s wages from the vaccine, and are at relatively low risk from covid, it seems to me that is not coercive, but “making them whole” to offer cash payments to young people eligible for the vaccine who earn little enough that $300 is a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/106 "2021-05-13T19:26:25Z")
I’m predicting that in a few months, they will be called ‘uninsured’. The cost of COVID hospitalization is high, and I find it hard to believe that insurance companies won’t soon refuse to pay medical bills, or provide insurance at all, for unvaccinated people. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/107 "2021-07-23T18:25:05Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > And it’s too soon to say who among those calling themselves merely hesitant is lying. When we see the number of new vaccines being given daily slow to a trickle, when it’s widely known that doses are being thrown away en masse because people aren’t showing up to get them, then we _might_ be able to conclude that everyone who is likely to ever get one has already done so. Again, I’m gonna give it a few more months. Well, it looks like the time has come: pretty much everyone who’s going to get vaccinated has now done so. [AP-NORC poll: Most unvaccinated Americans don't want shots | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-science-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-36ea18ee3a3397da7edd5b8249f0e477) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/108 "2021-07-27T06:16:42Z")
Soylent Green? Because you know, they are _people._ ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/109 "2021-07-27T06:20:56Z")
The Great Unvaxxed! The Great Unvaxxed! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/110 "2021-07-27T12:46:30Z")
Nice word play but not sufficiently disparaging. I’ll stick with “vax avoiders” with the reference to tax avoiders. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/111 "2021-07-27T20:58:58Z")
I don’t think I’ve ever heard tax avoider before. But what I do hear is tax evader and vax evader would work just as well. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/112 "2021-07-28T02:30:03Z")
There’s maskholes and vaxholes – often the same people. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/113 "2021-07-30T12:58:19Z")
Vax evader _is_ better. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/114 "2021-07-30T18:38:32Z")
The vaccine debate comes up frequently in another site that I am frequently involved in. I see people who are eligible but are not vaccinated fall into 3 categories: -Antivaxxers - people that simply won’t take vaccines, under any circumstances. They are people that can’t be reached, flat-earth conspiracy types. They make me pessimistic about the future and question why we allow voting. -People that don’t get good information and/or listen to bad information. They are people that could be convinced, but no matter what information is given, it goes against the narrative being fed to them from other sources, so they end up saying “there is a lot of data and experts on both sides, so I will wait and see.” Even though this is nonsense, they may get there someday. Likely too late to be helpful. -People that honestly don’t know what to believe. They seem to be reachable, but a small minority. Its hard not to lump them all in together, especially since the first group is so vocal. I tend to ask people right away if they are against THIS vaccine or all vaccines. If they are against all vaccines, its equivalent to a religious belief and not worth discussing. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/115 "2021-08-05T17:34:13Z")
Don’t call them anything. Human nature shows us that people will dig in. To Call people who don’t what to get the vaccine NOW any sort of disparaging name is counter productive. To suggest that only muscle car, gun carrying , fly over states people are the only problem .Check the percentage of black and brown that haven’t gotten the shot. How many immigrates at the southern border are COVID positive? I thing vaccines are great but I also asked questions before I got it because in cautious. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/116 "2021-08-05T19:21:53Z")
If they are so sensitive that they can’t be called out on their reckless and dangerous behavior without having their precious feelings hurt, can we at least call them spoiled brats? ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/117 "2021-08-05T20:02:32Z")
It’s counter productive. Is all. People have concerns. There are people who are the “stop and waits”. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/118 "2021-08-05T20:05:02Z")
[https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwivpObQ1pryAhWWWc0KHebmB1AQFnoECAMQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kff.org%2Fcoronavirus-covid-19%2Fissue-brief%2Flatest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity%2F&usg=AOvVaw3fI7MKZDDnqloP8OOP6ITW](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwivpObQ1pryAhWWWc0KHebmB1AQFnoECAMQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kff.org%2Fcoronavirus-covid-19%2Fissue-brief%2Flatest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity%2F&usg=AOvVaw3fI7MKZDDnqloP8OOP6ITW) I will not call the illegal s spoilt brats, your term, ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/119 "2021-08-05T20:05:14Z")
At this point, they are the “stop, infect and kill people with the Delta variant and cause mask mandates to be reinstated, and wait, and infect more people…” ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314/120 "2021-08-05T20:11:08Z")
What am I supposed to get from that? The US population is 61% white and 12% black and 59% of people who have received at least one dose are white and 10% are black? The “Other” category is going to throw things off, since they are only 2% of the population but represent 8% of those vaccinated (I think? I’m not sure how to read that chart exactly). Can you summarize what your point is? I searched for “illegal” on that page and don’t see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-arent-vaccinated-what-should-they-be-called/941314.md?page=7)