# People who don't tip **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327 "2007-06-08T23:45:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/181 "2007-06-11T20:57:09Z")
[QUOTE=OpalCat] Wow, you can’t see the difference between those lists? You’re even dumber than I thought. As for 18 being “a kid” what the hell difference does that make? I had to pay my rent and bills just like everyone else. I didn’t have mommy or daddy helping me out financially. I have to say, interacting with you is like beating oneself in the head with a meat tenderizer. I’m gonna have to bow out before I choke on my own vomit or something. [/QUOTE] OK, you’re a complete and utter idiot. Conversation with you is over. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/182 "2007-06-11T20:58:02Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] And you’re delivering pizzas? Why, dickface? [/QUOTE] Because security clearances don’t go through overnight. So I work my mouth-breathing pizza delivery gig, as well as a more nose-breathing research job for a local think-tank to pay the rent until I get hired for a grown-up job. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/183 "2007-06-11T21:08:52Z")
[QUOTE=CynicalGabe] Because security clearances don’t go through overnight. So I work my mouth-breathing pizza delivery gig, as well as a more nose-breathing research job for a local think-tank to pay the rent until I get hired for a grown-up job. [/QUOTE] Well, good luck to you then. Hopefully you’ll find something soon that relates to your education. Security clearances can be a bitch, yeah. I spent the better part of a year cleaning up cigarette butts, mowing lawns, and raking leaves until mine was completed. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/184 "2007-06-11T21:11:03Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] If you have the smarts to be doing something better, _ **AND YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU’RE DOING OR IT HAS QUALITIES THAT YOU CAN’T LIVE WITH** _\*, fuck you, go out and get a better job. If you don’t have the smarts to do something better, _ **AND YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU’RE DOING OR IT HAS QUALITIES THAT YOU CAN’T LIVE WITH** _\*, fuck you for not being educated. - a quality being that your wages could be truncated through no fault of your own [/QUOTE] Look, dude, nobody is saying that pizza delivery drivers or waitrons should throw a hissy fit if they don’t get tipped. The issue is YOU. Your behavior. Your personal choice to use services that expect tips, then withholding tips and making excuses for it. Yes, in the abstract, a janitor realizes he has to clean up messes. That doesn’t make you less of an asshole for pooping in the urinal. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/185 "2007-06-11T21:12:00Z")
Shit, Dudley, be honest with us: You don’t tip 'cause you can’t afford it. You get your $20 allowance and you look at that $12 tab that you and your date ran up at Shoney’s and you think “Hell, if I tip I won’t be able to buy a soda at the dollar theater.” ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/186 "2007-06-11T21:12:20Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Look, dude, nobody is saying that pizza delivery drivers or waitrons should throw a hissy fit if they don’t get tip. The issue is YOU. Your behavior. Personally. [/QUOTE] Ick. Lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/187 "2007-06-11T21:13:17Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Ick. Lighten up. [/QUOTE] Me? I’m not the one withholding two bucks from a working stiff. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/188 "2007-06-11T21:13:41Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] What is the relevant difference between your list and mine? [/QUOTE] Well, I’m not Opal, but I have to say that I did spot some significant differences between your list and hers. Hers mentions that are quite often many other tasks beyond those you have enunciated which fall under a typical delivery person’s ken. Specifically, food preparation and cleaning duties. Now, where I worked, I didn’t have to make pizzas, but I did have to help out answering the phones from time to time. Plus, believe it or not, there is actually quite a bit of spatial reasoning and strategic sequencing involved in running an efficient delivery operation. In a city of 90,000 people, if you have only 3 drivers available, _someone_ at the shop sure as hell better be able to figure out an efficient plan of delivery. Because it doesn’t just happen by itself. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/189 "2007-06-11T21:16:41Z")
[QUOTE=JohnT] Shit, Dudley, be honest with us: You don’t tip 'cause you can’t afford it. You get your $20 allowance and you look at that $12 tab that you and your date ran up at Shoney’s and you think “Hell, if I tip I won’t be able to buy a soda at the dollar theater.” [/QUOTE] You’ve nailed it and I’ve been exposed. But I’ve been pressuring Mom and Dad to give me extra cash, you know, for a tip. I feel I’m entitled, after all it’s not _my_ fault that it’s the system they’ve established. I’m just stuck in it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/190 "2007-06-11T21:17:30Z")
Yeah, it’s a rum old world, buddy. ☹ Thanks for coming clean. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/191 "2007-06-11T21:19:00Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Me? I’m not the one withholding two bucks from a working **stiff**. [/QUOTE] Nice. Now they’re working “stiffs.” At least I didn’t go that low. Pizza Transportation Specialists is the preferred term. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/192 "2007-06-11T21:20:21Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Nice. Now they’re working “stiffs.” At least I didn’t go that low. Pizza Transportation Specialists is the preferred term. [/QUOTE] Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/193 "2007-06-11T21:20:43Z")
[QUOTE=Fuji] Well, I’m not Opal, but I have to say that I did spot some significant differences between your list and hers. Hers mentions that are quite often many other tasks beyond those you have enunciated which fall under a typical delivery person’s ken. Specifically, food preparation and cleaning duties. Now, where I worked, I didn’t have to make pizzas, but I did have to help out answering the phones from time to time. Plus, believe it or not, there is actually quite a bit of spatial reasoning and strategic sequencing involved in running an efficient delivery operation. In a city of 90,000 people, if you have only 3 drivers available, _someone_ at the shop sure as hell better be able to figure out an efficient plan of delivery. Because it doesn’t just happen by itself. [/QUOTE] I noticed all that. But how is that relevant? I mean, I don’t tip the preparers, dishwashers, or phone-answerers when I got to pick up the pizza. Or should I be? ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/194 "2007-06-11T21:25:02Z")
[QUOTE=Fuji] Fuck you. [/QUOTE] I’m sorry, did I say something to offend? Or do you prefer “working stiff?” ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/195 "2007-06-11T21:32:54Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] I’m sorry, did I say something to offend? Or do you prefer “working stiff?” [/QUOTE] You used a deliberately denigrating and insulting term to refer to pizza delivery people. Come on. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/196 "2007-06-11T21:33:49Z")
I’d rather have my stiff working than not. Know whutta mean? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/197 "2007-06-11T21:36:18Z")
[QUOTE=CynicalGabe] I’d rather have my stiff working than not. Know whutta mean? [/QUOTE] Vern? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/198 "2007-06-11T21:38:01Z")
[QUOTE=CynicalGabe] Because security clearances don’t go through overnight. So I work my mouth-breathing pizza delivery gig, as well as a more nose-breathing research job for a local think-tank to pay the rent until I get hired for a grown-up job. [/QUOTE] I was pulling in about $40k (relatively) tax-free when I delivered pizzas. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/199 "2007-06-11T21:40:17Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] I was pulling in about $40k (relatively) tax-free when I delivered pizzas. -Joe [/QUOTE] Like I said, it’s not a bad job… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327/200 "2007-06-11T21:41:33Z")
[QUOTE=Fuji] Like I said, it’s not a bad job… [/QUOTE] Oh, and it was always arranged that I had a pizza or two to take home at the end of the night. Gawrsh, I wish I’d managed to get a job picking up cigarette butts instead. That would have made me a real person, like Pinnocchio! -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-dont-tip/407327.md?page=11)