# People who hate children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 2, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746 "2009-04-02T19:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/41 "2009-04-02T21:20:01Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > I don’t believe for a second that anyone “hates” children. There are plenty of people who don’t enjoy being around them, don’t enjoy trying to communicate with them […] I don’t expect any of these people wish death or harm or anything bad on kids. They simply don’t want to share space with them. I’d say that if you want to have minimal interactions with a specific subset of the population, it’s fair to say that you hate them, or at least have a major dislike for them. I get where the OP is going, but obviously he didn’t help his cause with comments like this one: “Those childless-by-choice folk who bitch and moan incessantly about children, who tirelessly support their great ‘decision’ need to realize that they are just a bunch of spectators sitting life out in favor of a less risky, less traumatic, less valuable, less human experience.” I understand that he’s just complaining about those childless people who complain everytime they are exposed to children not acting exactly like an adult would, and who sometimes even seem to preemptively expect bad behaviour as soon as they see a young person, but it’s hard for every childless person (of which I am one) not to feel like he’s denying that our life has value. So this wasn’t a wise thing to say. But again, I do understand what the OP is trying to say. Somehow I am reminded of Stewie Griffin taking a plane and deciding to scream and kick the seat of the passenger in front of him for the whole flight after this passenger preemptively complains about Stewie’s presence. “I was just going to watch the movie, but now you’re my bitch!” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/42 "2009-04-02T21:22:32Z")
There is no doubt that the OP has a valid point - plenty of bitter child-haters on this website. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/43 "2009-04-02T21:26:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I can’t tell if you enjoy your son’s girlfriend’s children, or her breasts. I enjoy her children. I wish I had her breasts. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/44 "2009-04-02T21:31:59Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > I’d say that if you want to have minimal interactions with a specific subset of the population, it’s fair to say that you hate them, or at least have a major dislike for them. > > I get where the OP is going, but obviously he didn’t help his cause with comments like this one: “Those childless-by-choice folk who bitch and moan incessantly about children, who tirelessly support their great ‘decision’ need to realize that they are just a bunch of spectators sitting life out in favor of a less risky, less traumatic, less valuable, less human experience.” I understand that he’s just complaining about those childless people who complain everytime they are exposed to children not acting exactly like an adult would, and who sometimes even seem to preemptively expect bad behaviour as soon as they see a young person, but it’s hard for every childless person (of which I am one) not to feel like he’s denying that our life has value. So this wasn’t a wise thing to say. But again, I do understand what the OP is trying to say. > > Somehow I am reminded of Stewie Griffin taking a plane and deciding to scream and kick the seat of the passenger in front of him for the whole flight after this passenger preemptively complains about Stewie’s presence. “I was just going to watch the movie, but now you’re my bitch!” 😉 Well hmmm…I suppose you may have a point. But if any of these “child haters” was in the presence of a friend’s or neighbor’s kid, I think it would be safe to assume they wouldn’t be rude to them or teach them how to plug keys into electrical sockets or stick their hand in scalding water. They will think their hour or afternoon sucked, and they will wish a babysitter bus would come and get them all, but they will most likely be polite and civil to them. That’s not “hate” to me. It’s no-please-don’t-wreck-my-saturday-with-your-incessant-whining. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/45 "2009-04-02T21:33:15Z")
> [@starwarsfreek42](#): > > Oh I agree, very true. But I don’t bring my dogs to Wal-Mart and force other people have to put up with their squealing and bawling and sticky hands. . This is a pretty good example of folks walking around in the world with a total lack of any clue about what others are experiencing. If you have a young child and have to get something at Wal-Mart - what, exactly, are you supposed to do other than shlepp them inside with you? Unlike your dog, it’s generally not OK to lock your child in a crate or laundry room in your absence. Ditto alone in your car with the window cracked. And, believe me, slapping duct tape over their mouths and around their wrists while shopping does prevent the sticky hands and squealing that so annoys the other customers, but it brings about its own set of problems. I suppose you could hire a baby sitter, make a bunch of separate trips to run your errands, or, assuming there is another adult in the house, wait until that person is home to watch the children and go shopping in the wee hours of the night. But why should a parent’s life be so inconvenienced just so somebody who doesn’t like kids won’t have to bear the suffering brought about by listening to them and looking at them in a freaking Wal-Mart. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/46 "2009-04-02T21:36:44Z")
> [@Kalea](#): > > I won’t denigrate your life choices if you don’t denigrate mine. I don’t care if you chose to have a baby. But DON’T tell me that my life is " less valuable, less human". How would you know? > > Also, don’t bring your child into places it’s inappropriate (bars, the opera, formal restaurants, etc). Not everything in this world is designed to accommodate children, nor should it be. Humanity is full of variety. > > Grow up, be a parent, teach your kids how to be productive members of society so I don’t have to. Then we can avoid the venting comments which so obviously offended you. Because that’s all they are, you know… just words. > > Cue the dead baby jokes… I underlined restaurant for a reason. If you bring your kid to a restaurant, CHANGE HIS FUCKING DIAPER. I DON’T WANT TO SMELL THAT WHILE I AM TRYING TO FUCKING EAT. ---
**Author:** ![Sanity\_Challenged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Sanity\_Challenged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sanity_Challenged)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/47 "2009-04-02T21:38:47Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > As many have said, if you don’t want to be around kids, go some place where kids do not go such as a bar or a brothel. That’s just stupid. What’s the point of going to a brothel if there aren’t any kids? ---
**Author:** ![starwarsfreek42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@starwarsfreek42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/starwarsfreek42)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/48 "2009-04-02T21:42:04Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > This is a pretty good example of folks walking around in the world with a total lack of any clue about what others are experiencing. > > If you have a young child and have to get something at Wal-Mart - what, exactly, are you supposed to do other than shlepp them inside with you? > > Unlike your dog, it’s generally not OK to lock your child in a crate or laundry room in your absence. Ditto alone in your car with the window cracked. And, believe me, slapping duct tape over their mouths and around their wrists while shopping does prevent the sticky hands and squealing that so annoys the other customers, but it brings about its own set of problems. > > I suppose you could hire a baby sitter, make a bunch of separate trips to run your errands, or, assuming there is another adult in the house, wait until that person is home to watch the children and go shopping in the wee hours of the night. But why should a parent’s life be so inconvenienced just so somebody who doesn’t like kids won’t have to bear the suffering brought about by listening to them and looking at them in a freaking Wal-Mart. I can deal with children being seen and not heard. If the kid is screaming, take them out to your car and let them scream there, then come back when they’re done. I don’t think they should have to come out at 3 AM to get groceries, but I also don’t think they should be so inconsiderate as to subject an entire store full of people to their three year old’s tantrum. I’m perfectly aware of what other people are experiencing, but\* I don’t give a damn\*. You chose to have children, the burden is on you to prevent those children from inconveniencing the rest of society. If I had a kid, I’d still feel the same way, and I’d hold myself to that standard. Also, in my area you can be fined up to $2,000 and spend 90 days in jail for leaving your dog in your car, even with the window cracked, even in the middle of winter. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/49 "2009-04-02T21:47:54Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > I suppose you could hire a baby sitter, make a bunch of separate trips to run your errands, or, assuming there is another adult in the house, wait until that person is home to watch the children and go shopping in the wee hours of the night. _But why should a parent’s life be so inconvenienced just so somebody who doesn’t like kids won’t have to bear the suffering brought about by listening to them and looking at them in a freaking Wal-Mart_. Because they made the choice to have kids, knowing very well having kids is a huge burden & responsibility. We don’t have the power to erase your kids from our life, but you do. And by choosing to inconvenience us by bringing the rugrats wherever you go, even though you realize they may not behave themselves and may annoy a lot of people ; rather than inconveniencing yourself, you’re being a selfish jerk. And it’s not just about “people who hate kids” : your not-quite-socially-acceptable-yet kids will probably annoy _everyone_. Even though they won’t have the heart to tell you, and even though they may grin and bear it because they know how it is. I’m sorry, but it’s the truth. Note however that this doesn’t apply unilateraly to all parents who dare bringing their kids out, either. In truth, the grand majority of parent+kids combo one encounters in the wild are perfectly tolerable, even to this rabidly antisocial jerk. And then there’s \*those \*assholes. The ones who’ll let their kid yell and kick in the train or on the plane or at the movies, for hours on end, never ever lifting a finger to stop them. The ones who’ll smile their annoying little “well, what am I supposed to do ? :)” smile whenever Junior smears chocolate on every piece of clear glass in the store, or makes a whole shelf of stuff collapse, and so on and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/50 "2009-04-02T21:49:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well aren’t we a self-righteous, self-satisfied and judgemental little cunt today. [QUOTE=Restricted language in the Pit] The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper [/QUOTE] [Restricted language in the Pit - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) Please refrain from calling other posters cunts. Thanks. No warning issued. **Gfactor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/51 "2009-04-02T22:07:41Z")
> [@starwarsfreek42](#): > > Also, in my area you can be fined up to $2,000 and spend 90 days in jail for leaving your dog in your car, even with the window cracked, even in the middle of winter. Where could one go to read such a law? ---
**Author:** ![starwarsfreek42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@starwarsfreek42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/starwarsfreek42)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/52 "2009-04-02T22:10:10Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Where could one go to read such a law? I’m not sure, it’s posted on a sign downtown. I know someone who knows someone who had to pay the fine, but I don’t know of anyone who did any jail time. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/53 "2009-04-02T22:21:14Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Where could one go to read such a law? > [@](#): > > (a) No person shall leave or confine an animal in any unattended motor vehicle under conditions that endanger the health or well-being of an animal due to heat, cold, lack of adequate ventilation, or lack of food or water, or other circumstances that could reasonably be expected to cause suffering, disability, or death to the animal. > > (b) Unless the animal suffers great bodily injury, a first conviction for violation of this section is punishable by a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100) per animal. If the animal suffers great bodily injury, a violation of this section is punishable by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500), imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by both a fine and imprisonment. Any subsequent violation of this section, regardless of injury to the animal, is also punishable by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500), imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by both a fine and imprisonment. > > (c)(1) Nothing in this section shall prevent a peace officer, humane officer, or an animal control officer from removing an animal from a motor vehicle if the animal’s safety appears to be in immediate danger from heat, cold, lack of adequate ventilation, lack of food or water, or other circumstances that could reasonably be expected to cause suffering, disability, or death to the animal. > > (2) A peace officer, humane officer, or animal control officer who removes an animal from a motor vehicle shall take it to an animal shelter or other place of safekeeping or, if the officer deems necessary, to a veterinary hospital for treatment. > > (3) A peace officer, humane officer, or animal control officer is authorized to take all steps that are reasonably necessary for the removal of an animal from a motor vehicle, including, but not limited to, breaking into the motor vehicle, after a reasonable effort to locate the owner or other person responsible. > > (4) A peace officer, humane officer, or animal control officer who removes an animal from a motor vehicle shall, in a secure and conspicuous location on or within the motor vehicle, leave written notice bearing his or her name and office, and the address of the location where the animal can be claimed. The animal may be claimed by the owner only after payment of all charges that have accrued for the maintenance, care, medical treatment, or impoundment of the animal. > > (5) This section does not affect in any way existing liabilities or immunities in current law, or create any new immunities or liabilities. > > (d) Nothing in this section shall preclude prosecution under both this section and Section 597 or any other provision of law, including city or county ordinances. > > (e) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to prohibit the transportation of horses, cattle, pigs, sheep, poultry or other agricultural animals in motor vehicles designed to transport such animals for agricultural purposes. > **[CA - Cruelty - § 597.7. Animal endangerment; confinement in unattended motor...](https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ca-cruelty-%C2%A7-5977-animal-endangerment-confinement-unattended-motor-vehicle-violations-and)** Different penalties. ETA: Better: [Articles | Animal Legal & Historical Center](http://www.animallaw.info/articles/qvuspetsincars.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/54 "2009-04-02T22:23:08Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Jeeeez…your opinion of childless people couldn’t be more off base or fucked up. I don’t believe for a second that anyone “hates” children. There are plenty of people who don’t enjoy being around them, don’t enjoy trying to communicate with them, and don’t care to burden themselves with raising them. Nothin’ wrong with that. To each his own. I don’t expect any of these people wish death or harm or anything bad on kids. They simply don’t want to share space with them. Well said. My wife and I have no children because A) I’m still in the Army and B) I don’t want the responsibility of raising them. Neither does my wife. Oh, we like non-demon children well enough, we just don’t want our own. We talk about adopting maybe when I retire, but again…I’m not a big fan of being around children for long periods of time. Guess we’re just bad people. ---
**Author:** ![starwarsfreek42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@starwarsfreek42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/starwarsfreek42)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/55 "2009-04-02T22:30:48Z")
Thanks **Gfactor** , that was fast! I’m in Alabama, and it looks like the law in question isn’t a state law but a local ordinance. My city’s website page of local ordinances says “This information coming soon!” so next time I pass by the courthouse I’m going to see if I can’t get a copy of it. For all I know the sign could be outdated or just a scare tactic. Didn’t mean to hijack, by the way. Back to the child hating! ---
**Author:** ![Jester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jester/32/8223_2.png) [@Jester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jester)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/56 "2009-04-02T22:33:50Z")
Now, everybody, I think the OP has a point. I know _I’m_ certainly sick of seeing women breastfeeding the Jews all over the place. And can I please ride the bus without some Puerto Rican wailing its head off, or puking on my shoulder, or shitting all over the seat? I mean, really. Have some sense, people. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/57 "2009-04-02T22:37:26Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > There is no doubt that the OP has a valid point - plenty of bitter child-haters on this website. I am not the first poster in this thread to ask for evidence of this. Therefore there is doubt. Does anyone have examples of this? Or is the OP just making shit up? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/58 "2009-04-02T22:38:35Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Nope, gotta go with the OP. He’s talking about people who flaunt their non-child-bearing status as some high horse they can climb up on and use to metaphorically trample over the decisions of those people who have children. Er, no. In fact, he’s talking about people who dare to complain that he is not bothering to correct his precious little snowflake’s offenses against other people’s peace and space. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/59 "2009-04-02T22:40:56Z")
So what do you think of self-absorbed, narcissistic little jackasses who insist on using their own font choices on posts to message boards? ---
**Author:** ![starwarsfreek42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@starwarsfreek42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/starwarsfreek42)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746/60 "2009-04-02T22:41:59Z")
> [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](#): > > I am not the first poster in this thread to ask for evidence of this. Therefore there is doubt. > > Does anyone have examples of this? Or is the OP just making shit up? I am an example of this. When I said I hated children, I wasn’t kidding. At all. As for past examples, I am too lazy to search. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-children/491746.md?page=4)