# People who hate the Patriots: explain, please **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267 "2008-02-04T20:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/101 "2008-02-05T23:23:51Z")
[QUOTE=LilGypsyGirl] But I was speaking in VERY general terms in reference to “Boston/New England fans.” I’m not sure why the eyeroll was necessary. Either way, thanks for being one of the few - eyeroll not withstanding. [/QUOTE] Why do you assume I’m “one of the few”? Has it never occurred to you that it’s the loudest fans, and the most stereotypical, who get the coverage? While we who quietly congratulate the winners get drowned out by the few, the proud, the morons? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/102 "2008-02-05T23:29:29Z")
[QUOTE=villa] Nit pick here - 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter is 60% of that quarter left. it is hardly “late in the 4th.” It is late in the game, but there is no need to exaggerate it. [/QUOTE] Yes, that was a typo on my part - I meant “late in the game.” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/103 "2008-02-05T23:35:24Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] On yet another hand, don’t forget that the Pats lost the AFC championship to the Colts last year through a big lead getting shot to hell. They led 21-3 at one point but got beaten 38-34. If I were a Patriots player or coach I’d never forget something like that, and never take a chance on it happening again. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I’m sick of hearing this stupid fucking running-up-the-score bullshit in the goddamn NFL. If you’re playing professional sports, there is no running up the score, in my book. You play to win, you play to kill. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike the Pats. This is not one of them. The only reason I wanted the Pats to win this year is so I could stop hearing about the '72 Dolphins. (If only my Bears didn’t have to drop one in '85.) That, and I kinda enjoy seeing a team so powerful that it knocks the shit out of any and all opposition (72-10 Bulls, I’m looking at you!) I enjoy the perfection and the excellence, and I don’t mind a little bravado. I don’t think the Pats were as arrogant and assholish as everyone seems to think they are. They just seemed like a solid team that could have used a bit of better PR and a coach with a warmer personality. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/104 "2008-02-05T23:39:44Z")
[QUOTE=pulykamell] I don’t think the Pats were as arrogant and assholish as everyone seems to think they are. They just seemed like a solid team that could have used a bit of better PR and a coach with a warmer personality. [/QUOTE] Not to mention that people impelled by envy and spite will see what they want to see, will interpret everything in the light most favorable to their bias. I’d bet if you took a random sampling of several teams’ fans’ behavior, masked the identity of the teams they were rooting for, and challenged the Pats haters to pick out the New England fans, they’d fail miserably. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/105 "2008-02-05T23:59:50Z")
You Patriots haters currently wallowing in loudly proclaimed glee, have you considered these points? [ [QUOTE=Thing Fish] ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9441489&postcount=414) 4) I can’t stand the whole “choking” meme; it disrespects not only the team who lost, but also devalues the accomplishment of the team who won. Fans who talk about “choking” reveal themselves to be bitter cynics looking to feel better about themselves by putting down people who in most cases have accomplished far more in their lives than said whiny fans ever will. I think real “choking” is virtually unknown at the professional level; athletes who consistently underperform under pressure simply don’t make it that far. So, congratulations to the Patriots for their incredible undefeated run, and to the Giants for stepping up huge when it counted. [/QUOTE] [ [QUOTE=storyteller0910] ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9443512&postcount=8)This anti-Patriots thing is just ridiculous. I’m a fucking _Giants_ fan and I can’t even enjoy the win because the public discourse is overloaded with people looking for any reason, no matter how tenuous and weak, to throw crap at the Patriots. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/106 "2008-02-06T00:19:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Not to mention that people impelled by envy and spite will see what they want to see, will interpret everything in the light most favorable to their bias. I have no football team (thank you Bill Bidwell) and therefore no bias. I saw very clearly one team being disrespectful and showing poor sportsmanship by running up the score over and over all season. You can choose to believe that at the pro level there’s no such thing as poor sportsmanship or running up the score, but to think that’s no reason to hate them as a fan or that NFL players and coaches don’t care about that is ludicrous. You don’t think any personnel on the Dolphins or Bills or Redskins that watched the Patriots keep their starters in and throw deep and embarrass them will remember that next year? I was flabbergasted that Brady didn’t get badly hurt on a cheap penalty in some of those late blowouts this season. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/107 "2008-02-06T00:21:34Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Why? I’ve never seen the man make a quote that sounded smug or arrogant. He’s focused on the field. He keeps his cool, on the field and in the press, in spite of the fact that people who hate him for no articulable reason attack him as a man and a father. Where is the arrogance? [/QUOTE] How about making a point to go find Anthony Smith after throwing a touchdown to jaw in his face? Any great quarterback wouldn’t bother for a moment with a no-name D back. Brady just couldn’t believe the temerity of someone suggesting that they might beat the Patriots, so he had to go show what a prissy little cunt he is by squaring off with him in the end zone. Speaking of which, here’s a fun little song from the WDVE morning show here in Pittsburgh: > **[102.5 WDVE - Home of the Pittsburgh Steelers](https://dve.iheart.com/)** > > Randy Baumann and the DVE Morning Show and Home of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Look about three quarters of the way down the page for: Tom Brady is a C#nt.mp3 I guarantee you’ll find yourself later on singing, “I’m of the thinkin’ Tom Brady’s a cunt.” ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/108 "2008-02-06T01:51:52Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] Not to mention that people impelled by envy and spite will see what they want to see, will interpret everything in the light most favorable to their bias. I’d bet if you took a random sampling of several teams’ fans’ behavior, masked the identity of the teams they were rooting for, and challenged the Pats haters to pick out the New England fans, they’d fail miserably. [/QUOTE] Speaking as a Yankee fan, I am tempted to ask permission to use your first line as my signature and I have not used any signature in over a year. New England was great this year. The Giants defense rose up and beat them. Our offense played well enough to win and made one of the most amazing last minute drives in Football’s history. The front four of the Giants lifted the team to a level rarely seen in the last 15 years by any defense. Jim ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/109 "2008-02-06T02:30:27Z")
You are more than welcome to that sentence, my friend. 🙂 Don’t you wish every fan on either side of this great Super Bowl would behave the way we’re doing it? You’re one Giant fan it warms my heart to congratulate: You were never dismissive of the Patriots leading up to the game, never dismissive of their fans, and you deserve every scrap of satisfaction you take from your team’s victory. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/110 "2008-02-06T03:17:51Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] You Patriots haters currently wallowing in loudly proclaimed glee, have you considered these points? [url=[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9443512&postcount=8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9443512&postcount=8)] [/QUOTE] Yes, and fuck him too 😃 . I hate the Giants also, I just hate the Pats more. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/111 "2008-02-06T03:25:29Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] Yes, and fuck him too 😃 . I hate the Giants also, I just hate the Pats more. [/QUOTE] Oh, well, fair enough then. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/112 "2008-02-06T03:38:37Z")
[QUOTE=LilGypsyGirl] And that’s the one thing I don’t think will ever come out of Boston/New Egland fans - class and a sense of that old “We were beat fair and square” mentality - it always seems to be someone else’s fault. [/QUOTE] [Oh really? (part 2)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9438242&postcount=174) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/113 "2008-02-06T03:49:41Z")
[QUOTE=pulykamell] I kinda enjoy seeing a team so powerful that it knocks the shit out of any and all opposition (72-10 Bulls, I’m looking at you!) I enjoy the perfection and the excellence, and I don’t mind a little bravado. [/QUOTE] Ah, tripping down Celtics memory lane: Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn, Havlicek… Bird, Parish, McHale… Hang high the championship banners! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LilGypsyGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilGypsyGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilGypsyGirl)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/114 "2008-02-06T04:18:39Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] Why do you assume I’m “one of the few”? Has it never occurred to you that it’s the loudest fans, and the most stereotypical, who get the coverage? While we who quietly congratulate the winners get drowned out by the few, the proud, the morons? [/QUOTE] Not an assumption - it seems every fan I have had personal contact with (so, no, I am not just pulling this out of thin air) has been one of those morons. I’m even more surrounded by them living in Orlando (Boston, Jr.). I have never had a Boston fan of any team admit to defeat without screaming, yelling, blaming and crying about it. Unfortunately, those few, proud morons have clouded my judgment against the lot of you, I guess. You can blame them for my skewed view on the New England fan base. 😃 For the record, I dislike both the Giants and Patriots equally - but I will always root for the underdog. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/115 "2008-02-06T04:23:23Z")
[QUOTE=LilGypsyGirl] every fan I have had personal contact with (so, no, I am not just pulling this out of thin air) has been one of those morons. I’m even more surrounded by them living in Orlando (Boston, Jr.). [/QUOTE] Well, there’s the problem right there – didn’t you know we ship the dregs out of state and only keep the high-quality fans locally? Hate to say it, but Florida gets the dregs of the dregs – being so far South, you know, force of gravity and all that. Plus, our outplacements seem to fit in so well there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/116 "2008-02-06T04:55:13Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] You’re one Giant fan it warms my heart to congratulate: You were never dismissive of the Patriots leading up to the game, never dismissive of their fans [/QUOTE] Of course not. He saves his worst vitriol to direct at his own team. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/117 "2008-02-06T04:56:20Z")
[QUOTE=jimmmy] 25% on Sean Taylor. He was killed this year during the season. The NFL chose to honor him by having players wear his number a black circle 21 on their helmets. Non-redskin lovers like Dallas, Philly, and NYG did it - showing some humanity and class IMO. Everyone did this all the rest of the season. Except the Patriots. They chose to wear their teammate Marquis Hill’s 91 (as they had all season). The weekend after Taylor died, they wore 21 then took it off. Only Vince Wilfork (who went to school with and loved Taylor - true of anyone who knew him) continued to wear both numbers. This whole thing sat poorly with me (I thought Taylor was great). I would have preferred them to just do what the rest of the league did. But they couldn’t. Because they are the (imperfect) Patriots. [/QUOTE] This is a scumbag reason to hate the Patriots. Seriously, you’re taking them to task for honoring the loss of one of their own? Lowest of the low. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/118 "2008-02-06T05:00:23Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] Of course not. He saves his worst vitriol to direct at his own team. [/QUOTE] [[Spike Jones](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Always_Hurt_the_One_You_Love#Spike_Jones_version)] [You always hurt the one you love, the one you shouldn’t hurt at all…](http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=9892) ---
**Author:** ![SharkB8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@SharkB8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SharkB8)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/119 "2008-02-06T05:11:49Z")
Because when I was wee, little Timmy McPatlover in his Bledsoe jersey made fun of Favre, my hero. In 12 years, the loathing has never ebbed. ---
**Author:** ![ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c77e96/32.png) [@ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267/120 "2008-02-06T05:23:33Z")
For me and many other giants fans I know, the pats were always sort of our “other” team. This year was tougher, because of all the controversy, but I still ended up rooting for them in a few close games. I didn’t feel the hate in week 17 (although beating an undefeated team is always something to root for) and I didn’t feel the hate during the bowl. In fact, I almost feel a little bit sad. This loss could potentially be a devastating scar for many of the players, that haunts them for years or for life. In case you think I’m exaggerating, go look for interviews with former players from the Baltimore Colts that lost in SBIII. I saw at least one say that when they later came back to the superbowl and won, it was tarnished and that they couldn’t enjoy it. The expectations for this year’s Patriots may have been even higher than that, and while I’m a giants fan I almost regret the shocking defeat that had to happen for them to win. But just a little. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-hate-the-patriots-explain-please/436267.md?page=7)