# People who love live seem to die in homicides/attacks **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 22, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385 "2014-06-22T20:01:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vontsira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/51bf81/32.png) [@vontsira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vontsira)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/21 "2014-06-23T07:35:07Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > I have yet to see a modern Hitler documentary showing him painting or fooling around with his girlfriend. I don’t even see his main military contribution, the tank blitz, described in a positive way. > [@zoid](#): > > Believe it or not there are some episodes of the series “WWII In Color” in which the narrator reads parts of Eva Braun’s diary in which she speaks quite fondly of him. She recounts some of their days together as almost idyllic. Of course there are other passages where she describes her life with him as miserable. > > The series also takes a fairly unbiased look at Hitler and describes his prowess as an orator and a motivator and his ability to induce fierce loyalty in his associates. > > In the end however it also does not shy away from the fact that this is a deeply, deeply, flawed and most likely psychotically disturbed individual who unleashed terror and evil upon the world on a scale almost indescribable. > > It’s kind of odd to watch because they basically say “Yeah he was a total piece of shit who did unspeakable things, but believe it on not some people really liked the guy.” I seem to recall reading a few years ago, about the death of the last person who had worked as a secretary for Hitler. This lady – while she claimed to have been horrified to learn what he had got up to as Fuehrer – apparently maintained stoutly, as long as she lived, that she had found him a kind and considerate boss; and had, personally, a strong liking for him. (I don’t think I have ever come across any reference to anyone having, re genuine personal acquaintance, a good word to say about Stalin.) ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/22 "2014-06-23T07:42:41Z")
> [@vontsira](#): > > I seem to recall reading a few years ago, about the death of the last person who had worked as a secretary for Hitler. This lady – while she claimed to have been horrified to learn what he had got up to as Fuehrer – apparently maintained stoutly, as long as she lived, that she had found him a kind and considerate boss; and had, personally, a strong liking for him. (I don’t think I have ever come across any reference to anyone having, re genuine personal acquaintance, a good word to say about Stalin.) Now that you mention it, I’ve never heard anyone have a kind word about GW Bush either. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/23 "2014-06-23T11:43:35Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_York](#): > > I was watching a news item on TV about the murder of a teenage girl. One of the detectives commented," She was such a beautiful girl." I got the impression he wouldn’t have been so upset if she’d been a bit on the ugly side. I think the original for this trope was [Evelyn McHale](http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/23/nyregion/thecity/scar450.jpg) (warning: pretty dead woman photo). Mourning in proportion to pulchritude always carries this discomforting subtext “aw, what a waste: I would have wanted to fuck her!” ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/24 "2014-06-23T11:57:41Z")
> [@vontsira](#): > > I seem to recall reading a few years ago, about the death of the last person who had worked as a secretary for Hitler. This lady – while she claimed to have been horrified to learn what he had got up to as Fuehrer – apparently maintained stoutly, as long as she lived, that she had found him a kind and considerate boss; and had, personally, a strong liking for him. (I don’t think I have ever come across any reference to anyone having, re genuine personal acquaintance, a good word to say about Stalin.) I remember reading **Rise and fall of the third reich** by William Shirer in which he recounts in the last day in the bunker before he offed himself, the women in the bunker had an impromptu party, which was disturbing Hitler’s sleep, and he very politely went out of his room and asked them to keep quieter. ---
**Author:** ![Ken001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/43a26b/32.png) [@Ken001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ken001)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/25 "2014-06-23T12:39:33Z")
Orson Scott Card the science-fiction writer has his brilliant moments and there are the depressing rest. 😃 One of hs good books for the idea if nothing else is “Speaker For the Dead”. In this book a person has the job of speakig for someone who has died. The “speaking” is warts and all, no eliding the bad bits, a total story of that persons life which ultimately is full and valued. It is an interesting and thoughtful discussion about what a human life means. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/26 "2014-06-23T12:47:07Z")
“[Ken McElroy](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/ken_mcelroy/23.html) kept his guns in good working order and was interested in livestock. He sure kept folks around here on their toes. There’ll never be another like him.” ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/27 "2014-06-23T12:50:50Z")
Some of the women in [this photo of Dillinger in the Chicago morgue](http://quizkerala.com/club/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/3861.jpg) seem to be registering their regrets. (it’s just his arm) ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/28 "2014-06-23T13:43:33Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Now that you mention it, I’ve never heard anyone have a kind word about GW Bush either. Is this an attempted whoosh? I’ve heard that both GW Bush and Bill Clinton are both immensely likeable in person from multiple accounts, and in GWB’s case, from someone who met him. Does that mean that everyone loved their politics? No, but that’s their ‘work’ persona and beliefs, not necessarily the man himself. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/29 "2014-06-23T13:51:39Z")
On my local TV news just the other day, after the suspect in a rather violent crime was gunned down in a shootout with police, a woman interviewed from his neighborhood said: “Can’t say I’m surprised. That guy was always trouble.” ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/30 "2014-06-23T14:55:13Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_York](#): > > I was watching a news item on TV about the murder of a teenage girl. One of the detectives commented," She was such a beautiful girl." I got the impression he wouldn’t have been so upset if she’d been a bit on the ugly side. Relevant Onion [article](http://www.theonion.com/articles/ugly-girl-killed,988/). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/31 "2014-06-23T17:28:11Z")
I’m removing the video you seemed to randomly tack on to the end of the OP, since it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/32 "2014-06-23T18:10:44Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Now that you mention it, I’ve never heard anyone have a kind word about GW Bush either. I’m a Democrat. I think Bush II was a perfectly awful president. But I also think he’s a good man – a better man than, say, Clinton, who was a much better president. I think GW is probably a good father and husband who genuinely thought he was doing the best he could for his country. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/33 "2014-06-23T19:28:32Z")
_You know, if the terrorists/drunk driver/ dumpster truck had not got hi, I would have offed him myself. Fucking hated that dude_… nah does not quite work. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/34 "2014-06-24T00:26:59Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I’m removing the video you seemed to randomly tack on to the end of the OP, since it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the OP. Thank you! What a horrific thing to post, and for no apparent reason. I was going to report it (and I seriously don’t think I’ve ever reported a post in my time here), but then I got distracted by something shiny or 80 proof or something. Seems like I’m the only one in this thread who thought WTF. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/35 "2014-06-24T01:38:12Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > …Seems like I’m the only one in this thread who thought WTF. The reason I had no reaction to the video was because by the time I first opened this thread, the video was gone (and so I was wondering why people were talking about a video that apparently wasn’t there.) So I’m glad I didn’t see the video, judging by the reactions of those who did see it. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/36 "2014-06-24T02:10:06Z")
OK, give - what was the video about ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/37 "2014-06-24T02:13:00Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Is this an attempted whoosh? I’ve heard that both GW Bush and Bill Clinton are both immensely likeable in person from multiple accounts, and in GWB’s case, from someone who met him. > > Does that mean that everyone loved their politics? No, but that’s their ‘work’ persona and beliefs, not necessarily the man himself. I’m willing to bet that if you met either one of these guys in a bar you’d like them, might even become friends. On the other hand once you knew them if someone asked you if they should be president your immediate reaction would be “Are you fuckin’ crazy? I don’t trust that asshole alone with my sister!” ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/38 "2014-06-24T02:36:43Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > OK, give - what was the video about A dashcam somewhere in Russia recorded a freak accident where a brick came off a passing truck(I think) and smashed the windscreen and killed the front passenger. It’s not visually graphic but you hear the screams of the driver. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/39 "2014-06-24T03:06:21Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > Yikes! Yeah, there’s no reason to spring that on anyone ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385/40 "2014-06-25T03:28:46Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Is this an attempted whoosh? I’ve heard that both GW Bush and Bill Clinton are both immensely likeable in person from multiple accounts, and in GWB’s case, from someone who met him. > > Does that mean that everyone loved their politics? No, but that’s their ‘work’ persona and beliefs, not necessarily the man himself. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m a Democrat. I think Bush II was a perfectly awful president. But I also think he’s a good man – a better man than, say, Clinton, who was a much better president. I think GW is probably a good father and husband who genuinely thought he was doing the best he could for his country. Quote? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-love-live-seem-to-die-in-homicides-attacks/691385.md?page=1)