# People who should be forgiven allowing for all that they achieved. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 28, 2006, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977 "2006-01-28T13:05:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/21 "2006-01-28T20:44:22Z")
As **Flymaster** put it in the linked-to thread: > [@](#): > > It’s too bad that that nice young actor had to go and crash his car before he perfected the breakfast sausage. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/22 "2006-01-28T20:50:34Z")
I never understood how George Schultz found time to be Secretary of State and write _Peanuts_ at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/23 "2006-01-28T20:58:38Z")
Senator McCarthy was a right-wing nut-case “Commie in every corner” politician during the 1950’s. Yet in the 1960’s, he was a very liberal, anti-war, anti-establishment politician. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/24 "2006-01-28T21:05:23Z")
Given [William Walker](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_%28soldier%29)’s history in Central America, the Reagan and Clinton administrations really shouldn’t have been surprised at some of the controversy created when they [assigned him as an ambassador](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_%28diplomat%29) down there. And then there was that whole unfortunate “eating of the brains” incident with the President of Honduras… ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/25 "2006-01-28T21:11:32Z")
It’s hard to believe that devout Christian teacher Billy Graham, so old and feeble now, used to be a muscular wrestler who could crush you like a grape. [http://www.superstarbillygraham.com/](http://www.superstarbillygraham.com/) But then, he heard a higher calling… ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/26 "2006-01-28T21:13:07Z")
And while Michael Jackson has had an impressive career in music, I think it’s even more impressive that his brother Tito was able to unify all those disparate Balkan states, and make Yugoslavia a strong nation. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/27 "2006-01-28T21:17:45Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > Senator McCarthy was a right-wing nut-case “Commie in every corner” politician during the 1950’s. Yet in the 1960’s, he was a very liberal, anti-war, anti-establishment politician. Go figure. And years before, he helped make the Yankees the greatest dynasty in sports history. Truly a man of many talents. ---
**Author:** ![fighting\_ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ac8455/32.png) [@fighting\_ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fighting_ignorant)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/28 "2006-01-28T21:21:54Z")
Personally, I’ve always found it amazing that, despite his complete lack of ability to comprehend human emotions, Dr. Spock was able to provide such excellent parenting advice. ---
**Author:** ![Amaranta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Amaranta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amaranta)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/29 "2006-01-28T21:24:13Z")
I’ve always respected Tom Robbins. He wrote all those great books and did radio shows, and then, just as his writing career was winding down, he starts acting and directing and takes up with Susan Sarandon! Awesome. And [Chris Farley](http://www.journalismjobs.com/interview_farley.cfm) is sure doing a lot better. Looks like he kicked the drugs and lost some weight. All that relaxing in the sun must have helped - look at his tan! I bet journalism’s a lot more “stable” than that SNL stuff. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2006, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/30 "2006-01-28T22:34:03Z")
**Astorian** And as if Mr Graham didn’t do enough with his evangelistic and wrestling careers, Bill also was a great rock and roll promoter with his clubs the Fillmore East and West. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/31 "2006-01-29T01:49:52Z")
> [@An Arky](#): > > **Paul Revere** was a silversmith, a Revolutionary War hero, and the keyboardist for a 60s rock group. How cool is that?[/SIZE] Rather like Revolutionary War naval hero **John Paul Jones** , who later ended up played bass for _Led Zepplin._ "I have not yet begun _ **TO ROCK!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/32 "2006-01-29T02:26:05Z")
People say Jane Seymour is starting to look old, like in ‘The Wedding Crashers’, but she looked damn good to me for being almost 500 years old! ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/33 "2006-01-29T02:55:01Z")
> [@amaranta](#): > > I’ve always respected Tom Robbins. He wrote all those great books and did radio shows, and then, just as his writing career was winding down, he starts acting and directing and takes up with Susan Sarandon! Awesome. Sorry, Hon: Tom is the author, Tim is the actor. Both fine men, though. But, mebbe you were playing with it , and I gots abit whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Amaranta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Amaranta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amaranta)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/34 "2006-01-29T03:24:01Z")
> [@elelle](#): > > Sorry, Hon: Tom is the author, Tim is the actor. Both fine men, though. But, mebbe you were playing with it , and I gots abit whooshed. Wait wait wait! You mean Michael Jackson _isn’t_ an ex-NBA player?! Next you’re going to tell me that he not an Olympic gold medal winning sprinter, either. Pshaw, I say. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/35 "2006-01-29T03:59:43Z")
> [@Tevildo](#): > > I’ve always been prepared to forgive [Michael Jackson](http://www.beerhunter.com/)’s proclivities because he writes so well about beer. What with him also holding down a very long and successful [baseball career,](http://www.baseballreference.com/j/jacksmi02.shtml) you have to think the man might have suffered from exhaustion. ---
**Author:** ![Amaranta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Amaranta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amaranta)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/36 "2006-01-29T04:20:14Z")
I work with an awesome guy named Ben Johnson. It started out well for him I guess - writing poetry and chumming around with Shakespeare and all. Then the low point, what with disgracing Canada at the Olympics and all. But he’s gotten over all that, and manages to bartend in a Vancouver nightclub while simultaneously playing football in Australia. Nice work if you can get it! ---
**Author:** ![MrJackboots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MrJackboots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrJackboots)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2006, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/37 "2006-01-29T04:36:12Z")
It’s so sad that an American President got [buried by the Mt. St. Helens explosion](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962329711/), isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2006, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/38 "2006-01-30T00:42:38Z")
> [@amaranta](#): > > I work with an awesome guy named Ben Johnson. It started out well for him I guess - writing poetry and chumming around with Shakespeare and all. Then the low point, what with disgracing Canada at the Olympics and all. But he’s gotten over all that, and manages to bartend in a Vancouver nightclub while simultaneously playing football in Australia. Nice work if you can get it! Don’t forget his Oscar for **The Last Picture Show**. Graham Green was not only a fine writer, but he’s a great actor. I was really surprised to see he was a native American – his books make you think he was born and raised in the UK. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/39 "2006-01-30T01:48:04Z")
I am amazed at the ability of [Campbell Brown](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://202.68.162.181/Photo142/1487199/50/151893027.jpg&imgrefurl=http://afl.fujicolor.com.au/en/Photo/View.asp%3FP%3D151893027&h=350&w=244&sz=17&tbnid=lNYhUIPrhpiz9M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=80&hl=en&start=38&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcampbell%2Bbrown%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN) to play Aussie Rules Football during the day and then host an American [network newscat](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/cropped_speakers/CampbellBrownWEBONLY.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm%3FSpeakerId%3D3182&h=197&w=150&sz=26&tbnid=Bm56ZJ861sM28M:&tbnh=98&tbnw=74&hl=en&start=23&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcampbell%2Bbrown%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN) at night. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977/40 "2006-01-30T02:09:52Z")
I’m very fond of Tito Puentes daughter Daisy and am glad to see her doing well. And when did Mick Jagger (son of test pilot Chuck) and his band mates have the time during their career to start their Rolling Stone magazine? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-should-be-forgiven-allowing-for-all-that-they-achieved/341977.md?page=3)