# People who think BSA has too much fag & not enough Jesus propose an alternative. A "masculine" one **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 8, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358 "2013-09-08T22:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/1 "2013-09-08T22:11:02Z")
[New group forms as answer to Boy Scouts of America lifting gay ban](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/08/new-group-forms-as-answer-to-boy-scouts-america-allowing-gay-youth/?test=latestnews#ixzz2eLDmqEGI) > [@](#): > > “I want to have a prominent faith component that will be weaved in every fiber of the program,” Stemberger, an Orlando attorney who has reportedly been criticized for professing homophobic beliefs, told NBC News. > > “But at the same time, we are not going to become religious and churchy. This is not another church program. This is going to be a masculine outdoor program to raise young men When someone tells you upfront they intend for something to be “masculine” it’s usually 180 degrees away from true masculinity. True masculinity has confidence at it’s core, this has fear at the center. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/2 "2013-09-09T03:18:44Z")
Not to mention it has a really stupid name. I have a feeling this will get minimal traction for a few years, and then collapse quickly as the founders start understanding what it really takes to have a national organization. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/3 "2013-09-09T03:50:35Z")
And how hard it is to replace the cachet of Eagle Scout and a century of brand building. Limiting themselves to the Christian variety of believers will also reduce their base. Normally this is where I’d wish them well, but those bigoted zealots can pound salt into square knots for all I care. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/4 "2013-09-09T09:12:38Z")
This is what, the tenth or so “Christian alternative” to the Boy Scouts to spring up in the last year? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/5 "2013-09-09T09:19:11Z")
Like the Stonecutters, they’ve set up their own “No Homers Club” or something that sounds very similar. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/6 "2013-09-09T11:31:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Kicking off the conference on Friday, Stemberger told NBC the new organization, named Trail Life USA – would amount to “a program that we believe will be stronger, _ **safer** _ and \*\*\*more principled \*\*\*in every way.” I could be a little more tolerant if Stemmy went with," Our believes are different", but the dog whistle back of the hand slaps at the gay community are hate mongering and full-on ignorance. Really wish this was in the pit for a proper roasting. Barred artistic license I will settle for hoping they have complete sucess in keeping to themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/7 "2013-09-09T11:53:14Z")
“Woven,” not “weaved.” Unless you are bobbing and weaving to avoid obstacles, like through traffic. If you have made a fabric or a network, the correct term is woven. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/people-who-think-bsa-has-too-much-fag-not-enough-jesus-propose-an-alternative-a-masculine-one/668358/8 "2013-09-10T01:37:31Z")
Stemberger, do you like movies about gladiators?