# Père the Rhymer has decided to vote for McCain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414 "2008-10-17T18:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/61 "2008-10-19T03:46:44Z")
Awwww…I wanted a flying car! You bastards! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/62 "2008-10-19T03:49:20Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Awwww…I wanted a flying car! You bastards! Quit bitching, you HAD a flying car until the we took the trip back in time next Monday, and you, specifically, were also a multi-trillionaire. We’d never have gone back to change history if you you hadn’t pissed me off by…um, I don’t remember what it was. Something about chicken sandwiches. Anyway, I was right and you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/63 "2008-10-19T09:52:44Z")
> [@tygre](#): > > I know quite a few people who take the opposite view, in particular after McCain’s comments on the “health” of the mother in the last debate (McCain’s air quotes, not mine). Quite a change from his previous record. Bringing Palin on the ticket, with her views, helped seal the deal for the single-issue-pro-choice voters I know. What change from McCain’s previous record are you referring to? This point came up in another thread yesterday, so I’ll re-post what I said there: McCain has always been consistent on this point: he’s opposed to abortion. It’s not a sudden change. For some reason, his position on abortion comes as a surprise to some people, who are sometimes puzzled when they hear his position and think that he’s pandering to the social conservatives on it. But he’s always taken this position. If he were to take a different position now, that would be a major flip-flop. See his website: [Human Dignity and the Sanctity of Life](http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm) > [@](#): > > **Overturning Roe v. Wade** > > John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench. > > Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat. > > However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. And this article from the NPR: [Misperceptions About McCain’s Abortion Stance](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18632802): > [@](#): > > Many Republican voters, however, seem to believe, incorrectly, that the current Republican front-runner, Arizona Sen. John McCain, supports abortion rights, too. > > The misperception is interesting, considering that McCain has not attempted to keep his pro-life views a secret. > … > And while now former candidate Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee, won the coveted endorsement from the National Right to Life Committee, McCain’s voting record on the issue is just fine, says David O’Steen, the group’s executive director. > > “He’s been very consistent; he hasn’t changed his position,” O’Steen says. He says that his group has supported McCain in every one of his senate races. “We’ve always considered him pro-life,” he says. And this TIME article: [McCain and Obama on Abortion](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1833496,00.html) > [@](#): > > Before a friendly but still skeptical Evangelical crowd at Warren’s Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Saturday night, McCain won a roar of approval when Warren asked him at what point a human being gets human rights: “At the moment of conception,” McCain replied. > … > McCain’s straightforward answer, along with his assertion that he would not have nominated any of the Supreme Court’s four liberal judges (notwithstanding that he voted to confirm all but John Paul Stevens, who was named before McCain was in the Senate), had social conservatives breathing sighs of relief. “I will be a pro-life president, and this presidency will have pro-life policies,” McCain said to cheers from the audience. “O.K.,” Warren said, laughing. “We don’t have to go longer on that one.” ---
**Author:** ![Lilacs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Lilacs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilacs)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/64 "2008-10-19T15:39:52Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That’s not unreasonable. If you knew HALF the stuff Kimmy & I talked Jack Kennedy (and the Russians) into on our last time-travel jaunt, you’d never sleep easy again. I won’t go into details just in case Aquaman’s around, but suffice to say that in the unRhymerfucked history, there was no Cuban missile crisis, Communism fell in '66, Jack served three terms, and you guys were all posting from your flying cars. I know she’s got a point, but she feels we should have overlooked the crime and just gone with the flow. Plus, it’s her excuse not to vote. Also…I like your version of history. Where do I sign up? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/65 "2008-10-19T18:23:48Z")
> [@Lilacs](#): > > I know she’s got a point, but she feels we should have overlooked the crime and just gone with the flow. Plus, it’s her excuse not to vote. > > Also…I like your version of history. Where do I sign up? Once I have fucked up the timeline, I leave it fucked. It’s a matter of principle. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/66 "2008-10-19T21:35:26Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m so glad I put this in the Pit, as it allows me to tell you to fuck yourself. Which you definitely should, by the way, with as large and rusty a pipe as possible. 🙂 Thanks for the hate. Keep it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/67 "2008-10-19T21:46:47Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 🙂 Thanks for the hate. Keep it coming. Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve voted Republican most of my life, and I respect several conservative Dopers on this board, such as Bricker. I don’t hate you. I hold you in contempt as a incredibly obvious and untalented troll whom Gandalf would not trouble to trick into petrification because your awesome stupidity makes you as dangerous as a defanged, declawed Siamese cat. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/68 "2008-10-19T21:53:16Z")
Do the single issue voters think abortion will go away? It was illegal before and it was just driven underground where it became expensive and dangerous. Legislating morality does not work. Drugs are illegal and you can buy them on almost any street corner.Prohibition worked real well too. If yo do not believe in abortion, do not have one. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/69 "2008-10-19T22:29:09Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve voted Republican most of my life, and I respect several conservative Dopers on this board, such as Bricker. > > I don’t hate you. I hold you in contempt as a incredibly obvious and untalented troll whom Gandalf would not trouble to trick into petrification because your awesome stupidity makes you as dangerous as a defanged, declawed Siamese cat. Thanks. You got any more or is that all for now? ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/70 "2008-10-20T06:08:10Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Do the single issue voters think abortion will go away? It was illegal before and it was just driven underground where it became expensive and dangerous. Legislating morality does not work. Drugs are illegal and you can buy them on almost any street corner.Prohibition worked real well too. If yo do not believe in abortion, do not have one. At least some of the people I know that are conservative, but are not single issue voters, do seem to think that if Roe v. Wade was overturned abortion would disappear. I don’t know why they think this, they are familiar with history and are not stupid. It is apparently just a blind spot in their thinking and even pointing it out doesn’t change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/71 "2008-10-20T08:06:25Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > … For instance, he was in favor of the Iraq War “because of 9/11.” … Without people like this there would be no invasion. The real question is how much collateral damage is acceptable to bring these people the justice they deserve? 1 for 1? 10, 100, 1000? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/72 "2008-10-20T14:50:09Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Thanks. You got any more or is that all for now? I’m torn. I quite enjoy mocking you, but I hate to feed your martyr complex. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414/73 "2008-10-21T13:23:27Z")
I’m kinda frustrated in the same way Skald is for the same reason–except for demographics, my dad and his dad would probably have a lot in common. One good thing about this thread is all the links and resources on the pro-life types who’re supporting Obama anyway–I’m mailing a lot of them to my parents. Granted, it’s less to convince them to vote for Obama, and more to just get them to think a little more and maybe, just maybe, get them to not be single-issue voters. I don’t mind intelligent conservatives–I generally am one, but between being a social liberal and being the kind of fiscal conservative who remembers the budget/economy in the Clinton years and the budget/economy now, I’m most likely going to vote for Obama until the Pubs prove they can restrain themselves. I do mind people who vote for either side without thinking or based on one issue that overrides all their other beliefs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pere-the-rhymer-has-decided-to-vote-for-mccain/468414.md?page=3)