# Personal experience in SDMB debates (a bit long) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091 "2003-02-14T17:33:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/21 "2003-02-14T18:22:20Z")
I fucking well do get it, but I’m able to separate the fact that I think he should be spending a long time looking at the inside of the bars for crimes ranging from fraud to, in all probability, manslaughter from the urge to leap about dancing in joy that he’s got a serious medical condition. ---
**Author:** ![super\_head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@super\_head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/super_head)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/22 "2003-02-14T18:25:48Z")
I may be wrong, but I’m not sure why it’s wrong to hate someone who so obviously hates you first. For instance, as an atheist, I have absolutely no loathing for Christians or other religious types who go about their life, don’t attack me or curse me for my atheism, or try to impose their religion on my life. I do however loathe someone who says I was somehow responsible for all of watching the deaths of 3000 innocent people on 9/11, someone who would make sure I have no place in government because I am unfit to serve as an atheist, someone who steals the money of others with lies, and who advocates other people trust in God for healing while he uses their money to run to the nearest doctor. I’m not that bothered if he lives or dies, and I won’t worry myself at night about it. I am curious though why it’s apparently wrong to hate, because I don’t think it is. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/23 "2003-02-14T18:25:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > \*\*\*\* 2trew \*\* > > I have a lot more sympathy for the people who were suffering from a disease who ended up as an easy mark for Pat’s bogus faith healing cures that not only cost them big money, but maybe some days of their lives. > > I have limited sympathy for some conman who is going to get the best treatment money can buy through money he got by giving people bogus cures and having them throw away their medication and stop seeing doctors in the name of Jesus. > > You still don’t get it, do you? He is not only some ranting, unctuous shmuck babbling about Jesus. He’s the guy that tells the woman in Cincinatti that Jesus has cured her cancer over the television. > > That’s more than represensible. \*\* Ah, but you see you’ve made a rhetorical slide here since your first post on this thread. In that post, you implied that you were glad that he had cancer by saying > [@](#): > > I’m only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer But now, you say you have “limited sympathy” for Robertson, and that you have more sympathy for those he has scammed. This is fine. No-one is asking you to fall down crying because Robertson has cancer. Plenty of people have bad things happen to them, and we can’t spend our time mourning for all of them. But not caring about his cancer is NOT the same thing as saying you’re glad he has it. The latter smacks of the type of hatred that Robertson is criticised for, as **iampunha** pointed out. I don’t care very much about anything that might happen to Pat Robertson, but i’m not actively happy that he has cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/24 "2003-02-14T18:28:19Z")
Reverend Mykeru wrote: > [@](#): > > That’s more than represensible. And you’re just like Fred Phelps. He condemns people he thinks are horrible. Oh, and you can kiss my presensile rectum. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/25 "2003-02-14T18:39:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Ah, but you see you’ve made a rhetorical slide here since your first post on this thread. No slide there. I have limited sympathy. Very limited sympathy. It’s so limited it can be measured in parts per billion. > [@](#): > > ## In that post, you implied that you were glad that he had cancer by saying quote: > > ## I’m only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer > > But now, you say you have “limited sympathy” for Robertson, and that you have more sympathy for those he has scammed. Scammed? Try fucking _killed_. > [@](#): > > This is fine. No-one is asking you to fall down crying because Robertson has cancer. Plenty of people have bad things happen to them, and we can’t spend our time mourning for all of them. But not caring about his cancer is NOT the same thing as saying you’re glad he has it. The latter smacks of the type of hatred that Robertson is criticised for, as iampunha pointed out. I am glad. It makes me almost believe in divine justice. > [@](#): > > I don’t care very much about anything that might happen to Pat Robertson, but i’m not actively happy that he has cancer. I didn’t say I was happy he had cancer as much as I am disappointed he probably isn’t going to die from it. Is that harsh? Is that hateful? Maybe, but I will save my sympathy for someone who is actually deserving of it. I don’t covet holier-than-thou brownie points for lamenting the suffering of someone who probably can’t suffer enough to make amends. I quote from [Faith Healing](http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/faithheal.html#harm) : > [@](#): > > **The Harmful Consequences** > > But the harm from all this faith healing is not limited to a the audience been duped by the evangelists. There are far worse consequence. One is the direct consequence of a foolproof explanation most evangelists give for their faith healing that doesn’t quite work: anyone who gets “healed”, which can mean anything from simply feeling better to the “cure” of a psychosomatic illness, during the rally is considered as proof of the efficacy of the evangelist, anyone who doesn’t get healed is immediately blamed for it, for lack of faith! In other words, it is never the fault of the evangelists that any healing fail to happen. > An example of this is an incident that happened during a rally by the evangelical couple Frances and Charles Hunter, more popularly known as the “Happy Hunters.” This appalling incident happened when a man, who went to the rally hoping to be cured, was commanded by the Hunters to be healed of his pain. When the healing failed to do so, Frances took the man aside and scolded him for not wanting the healing God was offering him! [14] One can just imagine the psychological trauma of the man; being told that the continuance of the pain was purely his fault. > > But by far the worst effect of this belief in faith healing is with regards to people who are really sick. Believing that they are miraculously healed these people discard their medication, many times with fatal consequences. > > One such case is that which a diabetic woman who threw away her insulin during an Oral Roberts crusade at Detroit in July 1959. After seeing Roberts’ show, Wanda Beach threw away her insulin, announcing to her family that the evangelist had completely cured her. A few hours later she was dead. In another Oral Roberts revival, this time in Oakland, California, at least three people were reported to have died. [15] > > Asking believers to throw their medication onto the stage floor during a miracle rally is a popular method among the evangelists, as it adds to the dramatic climax of the show. Peter Poppoff, as part of his stage act, normally urges believers to throw their medications onto the stage. James Randi reported finding medications for diabetes, heart disease and angina left on the stage floor after a revival rally. [16] > > The credulity of those who believe in such nonsense harm not only themselves, oftentimes it is their children that have to pay the ultimate price: > > At Barstow, California in 1973, an eleven year old diabetic boy died because his parents decided that prayer and fasting, rather than modern medicine, would save him. The parents, Lawrence and Alice Parker, members of the Assemblies of God Church, actually withheld insulin from the boy. > > In 1981 two members of the Faith Tabernacle Congregation, William and Linda Barnhart did not seek medical help for their two year old son who had abdominal tumor. They prayed and fasted for a miracle cure, but to no avail as the boy died. William Barnhart was charged with involuntary manslaughter yet all he had to say to the press was: “This haven’t wavered my faith one bit.” > > In 1982, a nine year old boy of Enid, Oklahoma had a ruptured appendix. Instead of taking him to the hospital, his parents, Dean and Patsy Lockhart, together with the congregation of their church prayed for his healing. The boy needlessly died. [17] > > Another example, cited in the April 5th 1998 issue of Pediatrics, the journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics,[18] is that of a two year old who choked on a bite of banana. The baby struggled for her life for an hour while her parents called members of the religious circle to pray. Needless to say the prayers hastened the baby’s journey towards god, she died. > > The study in Pediatrics, conducted by the University of California in San Diego, examined 172 child deaths in faith-healing families spanning two decades from 1975 to 1995. It concluded that a large proportion of these deaths (more than 80%) were avoidable. In other words these children could have been saved had medical attention been sought. > > The continued preponderance of faith healing “miracle” rallies, despite the absence of any scientifically substantiated case for it and the presence of many damning cases against it, is a constant reminder of the fundamentally harmful effect of Christianity. Since Robertson uses the “safe” (for him, in terms of being empirically verified) “shotgun” method, there is no real way of knowing his body count. Still, He really can’t die enough for my liking. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/26 "2003-02-14T18:42:23Z")
I never realized before how good a job Pat Robertson did in spreading hate. He spread it all over **Reverend Mykeru**. And it stuck. Even better, he’s spreading it too. Rev. Mykeru _could_ have taken the high road and refused to revel in the pain of a fellow human being. After all, what benefit could be gained by posting what he has? It’s not like anyone here is saying that Pat is a great guy. No one needs to be convinced that Pat is wrong in what he’s said and done. All that could be done is the continued spreading of horrible sentiments. Looks like Pat won. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/27 "2003-02-14T18:45:13Z")
**Libertarian** > [@](#): > > And you’re just like Fred Phelps. You mean the “God Hates Fags” guy that pickets the funerals of people that die of AIDS? Oh, ok, if you say so, Mr. Analogy > [@](#): > > He condemns people he thinks are horrible. Like, well…Pat Robertson does! More from Pat’s greatest hits: > [@](#): > > The fight for the Equal Rights Amendment in Iowa is about a socialist, antifamily political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. > –Pat Robertson, 1992 > [@](#): > > Oh, and you can kiss my presensile rectum. Sounds like you need a lot more fiber in your diet, Chuckles. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/28 "2003-02-14T18:51:55Z")
**Trion** > [@](#): > > I never realized before how good a job Pat Robertson did in spreading hate. He spread it all over Reverend Mykeru. And it stuck. Even better, he’s spreading it too. You know, suddenly I’m feeling a belated sense of loss and sympathy for the untimely deaths of Hitler, Mussolini and that nice Dahmer boy. > [@](#): > > Rev. Mykeru could have taken the high road and refused to revel in the pain of a fellow human being. Or I could have taken the really low road and attempted to profit from the pain of my fellow human beings like Pat. > [@](#): > > After all, what benefit could be gained by posting what he has? I have a lot of Pat Robertson quotes that fit under that rubric, aside from the people Pat has scammed, killed and made suffer. > [@](#): > > It’s not like anyone here is saying that Pat is a great guy. No one needs to be convinced that Pat is wrong in what he’s said and done. Pat is a little more than “wrong”. He is a human scavenger feeding off misery. > [@](#): > > All that could be done is the continued spreading of horrible sentiments. I’m sorry, I tried to dig up something positive to say about a hateful con man who clamps himself like a leech to the pain and suffering of others in order to make a buck, but my creativity failed me. > [@](#): > > Looks like Pat won. Damn, if only he would kick the bucket so he can do a dance in the afterlife end zone. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/29 "2003-02-14T19:02:19Z")
Wow. Twelve posts and you’ve already invoked Godwin’s Law. That’s gotta be some kind of record. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/30 "2003-02-14T19:13:14Z")
**Trion** > [@](#): > > Wow. Twelve posts and you’ve already invoked Godwin’s Law. That’s gotta be some kind of record. Happy to set you straight, from [The Godwin’s Law FAQ](http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/): > [@](#): > > One of the most famous pieces of Usenet trivia out there is “if you mention Hitler or Nazis in a post, you’ve automatically ended whatever discussion you were taking part in”. Known as Godwin’s Law, this rule of Usenet has a long and sordid history on the network - and is absolutely wrong. This FAQ is an attempt to set straight as much of the history and meaning of Godwin’s Law as possible, and hopefully encourage users to invoke it a bit more sparingly. Of course, knowing Usenet, it won’t do an ounce of good… > [@](#): > > …it means that somebody’s eventually going to say > something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin’s Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on. Now, first off, invocations of Godwin’s Law as an automatic “you lose” gambit are to be frowned on. Secondly, Godwin’s Law simply predicts the degeneration of a thread, however, considering remarks of people such as Libertarian’s: > [@](#): > > You are a fucking moron. What does hurting Robertson’s wife do for anyone he may have harmed. Dickhead. We can safely say the thread was degenerate before any invocation of Fascists. Secondly, your invocation of Godwin’s law degenerates the thread as much as any Nazi comparison. Nice try. Read the fucking FAQ. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/31 "2003-02-14T19:17:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > \*\*Point is, most people with cancer are not intolerant, crazy greed-head fear-mongers who, through the guise of faith healing, have defrauded and perhaps hastened the demise of countless people and, when striken with the same illness they claim to be able to cure in other people by divine intervention do not practice what they preach and resort to secular medicine instead. \*\* Amen, **Reverend**. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/32 "2003-02-14T19:17:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > **iampunha** > > _Shrug_. It’s obvious that you have little idea who Robertson is and what he does, or that you approve. Oh, I needed a laugh. Thanks for that one:) I am aware of what Robertson has done. I am also aware of the saying (of, I believe, Gandhi): “An eye for an eye and soon the world is blind.” Do I detest many of the things Robertson has said/done? Yes. Does that automatically and irrevocably sentence not only him but his family and friends (some of whom could even have beliefs completely different from his, if that’s important at all) to the pain and suffering that is cancer? **No.** Just because you think the man’s a complete piece of shit doesn’t mean his family needs to suffer. > [@](#): > > But thank you for setting an admirable example by being so amorally gracious towards conmen and murderers. Maybe you missed this the first dozen times it was discussed. Cancer affects everyone it touches. That includes those with tumors in their bodies, those who treat them, those who love them, those who work with them. Everybody. Are you now going to play Moral Arbiter and claim to know every single person involved in Robertson’s life and say they should bear that pain? **Lib** was talking about a possible yo-yo in the thread that spawned this. So now, **Mykeru** , tell us … however did you find this board? You remind me of someone I used to know on here. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/33 "2003-02-14T19:18:02Z")
Well, we’re not making much progress on the OP, but I am certainly adding to my store of personal experiences. I now know at least six ways to say “Robertson is a scumbag” and count it as a serious point in a debate. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/34 "2003-02-14T19:29:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > [B > You know what mockery is? Mockery is a faith healer like Robertson who gathers together the credulous and sick and lame and through deceit and psychological manipulation convinces said sick and lame to throw away their crutches, and even their medication, for no greater purpose than to clean out their wallet. > \*\* Ummm, he’s a faith healer? I know he did some evangelism, and he’s a TV personality, but they aren’t all like Tilton you know. He’s the host of 700 Club, and an outspoken political entity. Just come out and admit that you don’t like his politics and that is what this is all about to you. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/35 "2003-02-14T19:33:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Read the fucking FAQ. Have done. Thanks anyway. > [@](#): > > Now, first off, invocations of Godwin’s Law as an automatic “you lose” gambit are to be frowned on. Oh, forfend! I shall be _frowned upon._ Perhaps you could point to where I was doing the “you lose” gambit. In case you missed it, I was making the degeneration-of-thread point. Instead of giving us a well-reasoned argument you resorted to cheap jokes and references to Hitler. Am I supposed to be impressed by your argument based on that? Bad debating tactics and gratuitous references to Hitler sound like a degeneration to me. > [@](#): > > We can safely say the thread was degenerate before any invocation of Fascists. Yup. And big man that you are you once again sunk to the depths available. And further continued the sinking process. You truely are a Paragon of Humanity. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/36 "2003-02-14T19:36:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Reverend Mykeru \* > **Trion** > … > Now, first off, invocations of Godwin’s Law as an automatic “you lose” gambit are to be frowned on. Which was not done. Nevertheless we press on to figure out just _how_ far up your ass your head is. Tell me, can you see dry land from there? > [@](#): > > however, considering remarks of people such as Libertarian’s, … > We can safely say the thread was degenerate before any invocation of Fascists. Proof is a wonderful thing, when you happen to have it. You don’t. > [@](#): > > Secondly, your invocation of Godwin’s law degenerates the thread as much as any Nazi comparison. He didn’t invoke it, you shit-sucking, maggot-infested, used tampon-licking, corpse-fucking pustule on the underbelly of a leprous babylonian hyena. You did. If you’d care to stop jerking off to the FAQ you just cited, you’d see the following text: "1. What is Godwin’s Law? Godwin’s Law is a natural law of Usenet named after Mike Godwin ([godwin@eff.org](mailto:godwin@eff.org)) concerning Usenet “discussions”. It reads, according to the Jargon File: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Invoke: “to put into effect or operation” ([m-w.com](http://m-w.com)). Scrolling through this thread, we see this in one of your posts: " You know, suddenly I’m feeling a belated sense of loss and sympathy for the untimely deaths of Hitler, Mussolini and that nice Dahmer boy." That is the first reference to either Nazis or Hitler in this thread. Folow your own advice, **Mykeru**. Nice try. Read the fucking FAQ. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/37 "2003-02-14T19:38:37Z")
I predict a long and fruitful career of posting for you here at the SDMB, **Reverend Mykeru**. Or, possibly, not. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/38 "2003-02-14T19:40:32Z")
iampunha I am aware of what Robertson has done. I am also aware of the saying (of, I believe, Gandhi): “An eye for an eye and soon the world is blind.” Interesting, considering that Ghandi was assassinated by a Hindu fanatic who could not forgive Gandhi for his belief that Muslims had equal value to Hindus. Do the comments of Robertson seem closer to Gahndi or to his killer? > [@](#): > > You don’t dare say America or Christianity is a better way of living. When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. ‘What do you mean?’ the media challenged me. ‘You’re not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?’ My simple answer is, ‘Yes, they are.’ > –The New World Order, 1991 > > They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have… The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation. > –New York Magazine, August 18, 1986 And don’t forget that Pat thinks that people should be absolved of all sorts of crimes if a church tribuneral thinks they were following the orders of God. And eye for an eye? What? Did I give Pat cancer or something? > [@](#): > > Do I detest many of the things Robertson has said/done? Yes. Does that automatically and irrevocably sentence not only him but his family and friends (some of whom could even have beliefs completely different from his, if that’s important at all) to the pain and suffering that is cancer? No. Just because you think the man’s a complete piece of shit doesn’t mean his family needs to suffer. Then again, consider how much his family has benefited from his being a complete piece of shit. > [@](#): > > Cancer affects everyone it touches. That includes those with tumors in their bodies, those who treat them, those who love them, those who work with them. Everybody. Are you now going to play Moral Arbiter and claim to know every single person involved in Robertson’s life and say they should bear that pain? Hey, you know what? Everything touches everything. You think the people who had diabetes or cancer or emphasyma or any other number of chronic and fatal conditions who allowed Robertson to siphon off their savings under the false promise of a cure if they could “get right with God” didn’t have family who were affected? How do you know that every single person in Robertson’s life is feeling pain? If his family is anything like him, maybe they are praying for him to die so they can take over the business and get a nice fat insurance settlement. Who appointed you the all-knowing eye in the sky? I still have more sympathy for the families of all the people who died because they ignored cancer and threw away medication under Robertson’s influence. > [@](#): > > So now, Mykeru, tell us … however did you find this board? You remind me of someone I used to know on here. Oh, you are right. You got me there. I am he, whoever he is. What’s more, I am, even as we type, hiding under your bed waiting for your guard to come down. Incidentally, folks, did you see Cecil’s topic for the day? **Was President Bush’s great-grandfather a Nazi?** Does this mean we have to close the site down? ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Mykeru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@Reverend\_Mykeru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Mykeru)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091/39 "2003-02-14T19:51:45Z")
**RexDart** > [@](#): > > Ummm, he’s a faith healer? I know he did some evangelism, and he’s a TV personality, but they aren’t all like Tilton you know. He’s the host of 700 Club, and an outspoken political entity. Just come out and admit that you don’t like his politics and that is what this is all about to you. What didn’t you understand? Robertson is a faith healer. He used to do the standard V.W. Grant/Peter Popoff routine of “calling out” and “Word of Knowledge”, but more recently he has stuck to the safer “shotgun” approach as quoted by James Randi in his book The Faith Healers: > [@](#): > > There is a woman in Kansas city who has sinus. The Lord is drying that up right now. Thank you, Jesus. There is a man with a financial need - I think a hundred thousand dollars. That need is being met right now, and within three days, the money will be supplied through the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you, Jesus! There is a woman in Cincinnati with cancer of the lymph nodes. I don’t know whether its been diagnosed yet but you haven’t been feeling well, and the Lord is dissolving that cancer right now! There is a lady in Saskatchewan in a wheelchair - curvature of the spine. The Lord is straightening that out right now, and you can stand up and walk! Just claim it and its yours. Thank you, Jesus! Amen, and amen! \*\*iampunha \*\* > [@](#): > > He didn’t invoke it, you shit-sucking, maggot-infested, used tampon-licking, corpse-fucking pustule on the underbelly of a leprous babylonian hyena. You did. If you’d care to stop jerking off to the FAQ you just cited, you’d see the following text: He didn’t? This must be related to some general reading comprehion problem: > [@](#): > > ## Trion quote: > > Wow. Twelve posts and you’ve already invoked Godwin’s Law. That’s gotta be some kind of record. It was Trion who invoked Godwin’s Law after I referenced Hitler, Mussolini and Dahmer. Funny that you talk about my head being up my ass when it’s obvious that you performing fellatio on your own appendix. > [@](#): > > Proof is a wonderful thing, when you happen to have it. > > You don’t. Oh, well, if you _assert_, Skippy. **Bricker** > [@](#): > > I predict a long and fruitful career of posting for you here at the SDMB, Reverend Mykeru. > > Or, possibly, not. Well, as long as you are predicting, and while your head is there, can you pull some lottery numbers out that fundamental orifice of yours? ---
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> [@](#): > > It was Trion who invoked Godwin’s Law after I referenced Hitler, Mussolini and Dahmer. No, you fucking puss monkey, the actual mentioning of Hitler is the invocation. You did the mentioning, therefore you did the invoking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personal-experience-in-sdmb-debates-a-bit-long/155091.md?page=3)