# Personally, I welcome our new Korean overlord **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917 "2004-06-12T01:39:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/1 "2004-06-12T01:39:27Z")
[http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=131](http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=131) Yes, the Rev Moon is now officially the messiah. He tricked a bunch of Congressmen into attending a ceremony in which he crowned himself messiah, all part of his movement to replace the symbol of the cross with the symbol of the crown: his crown. His cut of the event apparently uses those confused Congressmen to make it look like Congress was officially crowned Moon. It’s too strange for words, and while Moon’s religion purports to be the official one of conservatives and patriots, nobody ultimatlely can be held responsible this nuttiness or generally wants much to do with it. [http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/05/im-and-i-approve-this-messiah.html](http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/05/im-and-i-approve-this-messiah.html) For those of you unfamiliar with Moon, he’s the owner of the Washington Times and of his own religion. He is has been, on and off, a major power player in Washington’s Republican establishment, and he’s now trying to recuit religiously conservative Democrats. But generally he’s out for himself: Republicans tend to be very wary of getting associated with him, given that, among other things he refers to homosexuals as “dung-eating dogs” which he promises to eradicate, saying that Hitler killed six million Jews as a penalty for their killing of Christ, and his desire to eradicate SoCas and replace it with a sort of religious monarchy. Thank you Moon for, as GWBush said of your paper, “[bringing] sanity to Washington.” ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/2 "2004-06-12T01:43:17Z")
Oh, and watch the video on that second link: it’s of the ceremony, after a bunch of other crazy graphics. The best part is the beginning though, where Jesus Christ steps up to the camera and looks like he’s about to say “I’m Jesus Christ, and I approve this message.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/3 "2004-06-12T04:31:20Z")
I try to remember that all religions, in somebody’s viewpoint, as at least odd, if not laughable. Even Pantheistic Vegetarianism has its detractors. But I can’t, try as I will. The Rev. Moon is fuckin’ nuts. Even when offered proof, over and over, I still can’t credit the notion that this neutron-density dingbat has any sort of clout, on any planet, in any universe. But there it is. **Apos** , I saw this story referenced on some blog, but you seem to be more updated. Have any of the other Honorables mentioned in the article issued “clarifications”? I love clarifications, they are _so_ revealing. As well, I notice the quote about “a bunch of Senators” edging for the exits, but then only Senator mentioned by name is Lindsay Graham. And now that we mention it, how do the Moonies and the Scientologists stand on this whole “faith based initiatives” thing? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/4 "2004-06-12T05:04:29Z")
Moon’s people are all for it as far as I know: they’re even for the direct government funding of religion I think. In fact, I think Moon is a fairly big player in this particular movement. I take at face value the idea that the various Congress members in attendance weren’t aware that Moon would be crowning himself at this gig, though plenty of them know that they have to kowtow to the guy on occasion. Then again there were apparently some members actually part of the ceremony: maybe Davis (D-Il I believe)? [http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog//2004\_04\_01\_barchive.html#108243081677230106](http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog//2004_04_01_barchive.html#108243081677230106) Of course, being too closely associated with a guy who claims that Christ FAILED is not exactly great publicity. Apparently, though, this event happened a few months ago. It’s just that the media interest in it is just peaking now. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/5 "2004-06-12T05:08:26Z")
Davis has previously praised Moon on the floor of Congress, so it’s not surprising that he may have been involved in the ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/6 "2004-06-12T05:25:03Z")
Well, it’s about damned time, I say. What this nation **needs** is a new overlord. Up until now, we’ve been getting by as best we could with whatever overlord came in over our transom. (I’m just glad he’s Korean, instead of a white guy) Man, you’d think that establishing yourself as a powerful individual, buying a newspaper (sic) and creating a religion would be enough for this guy. But here he is, being crowned Messiah. I’ll bet Tony Blankley almost pukes when he gets his paychecks. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/7 "2004-06-12T05:31:21Z")
> [@](#): > > this March, Moon was telling guests at the Dirksen Senate Office Building that Hitler and Stalin, having cleaned up their acts, had, in a rare public statement from beyond the grave, called him “none other than humanity’s Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.” Foolish Mr. Moon. Only history’s greatest killer can appoint the new Messiah from beyond the grave. If it’s not Genghis Khan talking, it don’t mean bupkus. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/8 "2004-06-12T06:05:08Z")
Don’t know about you, but the phrase “a rare public statement from beyond the grave” is going to stick with me for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/9 "2004-06-12T07:02:02Z")
Sure, he may be a loony, but if he can match me up with a woman I’ve never seen and get her to marry me, hey, he can’t be ALL bad! /Feeling lonely tonight ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/10 "2004-06-12T07:53:19Z")
Damn. That guy is a monument to how far you can go in life just by being utterly insane. He might be my hero. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/11 "2004-06-12T14:25:16Z")
I just wish I could see the looks on the faces of some of the Congressmen who were unaware of what the event was when Moon declared himself the new Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/12 "2004-06-12T15:11:41Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Damn. That guy is a monument to how far you can go in life just by being utterly insane. > He might be my hero. These are precisely my thoughts! My other heroes include luminaries such as Hunter S. Thompson and **Doc Cathode**. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/13 "2004-06-12T21:23:59Z")
I should say that he is not insane at all. Everyone who runs behind him is completely insane. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Barry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8c91f0/32.png) [@Matt\_Barry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Matt_Barry)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/14 "2004-06-12T22:10:49Z")
Maybe the members of Congress just thought it was some kind of gag? Oh well… All Hail EMPEROR MOON AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW REGIME! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/15 "2004-06-12T22:16:11Z")
This would all be rather amusing if the guy wasn’t the owner of a major Washington DC newspaper. As it is, this is somewhat like Rupert Murdoch being appointed Pope. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/16 "2004-06-12T22:18:45Z")
Korean overlords! Kim Chee for everyone! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/17 "2004-06-12T22:45:28Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > This would all be rather amusing if the guy wasn’t the owner of a major Washington DC newspaper. As it is, this is somewhat like Rupert Murdoch being appointed Pope. . . . by Cardinal Torquemada, speaking in a rare public statement from beyond the grave. Sorry, **'luci** , I coldn’t resist. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/18 "2004-06-13T16:04:02Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > These are precisely my thoughts! > My other heroes include luminaries such as Hunter S. Thompson and **Doc Cathode**. Thank you. I was going to mention my ‘how far you can go just by being utterly insane’ hero, Grigori Rostomovich Rasputin. To be at the same table with him and Thompson is a high honor, and certain to be one heck of a party. I’m currently going through some of my notes, and rechecking some of my data for a post i the ‘Memories Of Birth’ thread. Re Moon’s Clout I grew up in northern Virginia. Our house was about 18 miles from the White House. That Moon owned the Times was common knowledge. But, I never heard anybody say that Moon had any political influence whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/19 "2004-06-13T16:35:12Z")
_I look like Jesus, so they say But Mr. Jesus is very far away Now you’re the only one around who can tell me if it’s true That you love me, and I love… me_ A little quote from John & John that seems, somehow, appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Scrivener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@The\_Scrivener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Scrivener)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917/20 "2004-06-13T19:41:20Z")
If the Rev. Moon pronounces himself the Messiah, then he should be willing to submit his claim to the appropriate test. Which method do you prefer, Reverend? Crucifixion with a blindfold, or without? You will have, upon your death, three days and nights during which you will be expected to reanimate, or your claim will declared null and void. Officiating & overseeing the proceedings: a cc TV/VCR system, a medical examiner, James Randi and Penn & Teller. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/personally-i-welcome-our-new-korean-overlord/249917.md?page=2)