# Persons planning to vote for Clinton: Are you really just voting against Trump?s **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 5, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110 "2016-07-05T03:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/61 "2016-07-05T20:14:30Z")
I sure wish she were less hawkish, and less conservative, and less clearly beholden to moneyed interests. But it would take exceptional R and D candidates for me to not vote for the D. This time around, it is a no-brainer - and would have been against the entire R crop. I’m thrilled with the potential prospect of having a black Pres followed by a woman. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/62 "2016-07-05T20:22:16Z")
I’m not thrilled with Clinton – I think she’s too clearly a political animal, and this seems to drive some odd, questionable, probably-less-than-ethical choices (such as the private email server). But, the very idea of Trump as president scares me to death. At best, the man is an epic-level narcissist, a highly unethical businessman, and a tremendous misogynist – he may well also be a bigot and anti-Semite, though it’s hard to tell if he really feels that way, or if he’s just saying these things to appeal to his newfound base. I consider myself to be a liberal on most issues. Had the GOP been able to put forward anything approaching a moderate candidate (though I don’t think that’s possible for the GOP any longer), this could well have been the first election since '88 in which I would vote against a Democrat. But, holy shit, I gotta vote for Clinton here. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/63 "2016-07-05T20:31:15Z")
Five years ago I would have said there was no Republican possible that would make go for Hillary. I was wrong. Anti Trump, 100%. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/64 "2016-07-05T21:10:27Z")
I’m voting for Hillary. Voting against Trump is just a delightful bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/65 "2016-07-05T21:14:23Z")
I see no distinction between voting for one candidate or voting against the other. In any election, I have two options, and I have to choose which of them is preferable. I can think of a large number of people whom I would rather vote for than for Clinton, but I can think of a much larger number of people whom I would rather vote for than for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Chihuahua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@Chihuahua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chihuahua)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/66 "2016-07-05T21:17:33Z")
I despise Hillary as a candidate and a human being in general. However, for all her flaws she is still a centrist Democrat and will continue policies that I agree with. Every Republican candidate promised to undo those same policies, so I was not likely to vote for any Republican to begin with. The fact that Trump is a goddamned monster and a lunatic just makes it all the better. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_from\_CB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@Alex\_from\_CB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_from_CB)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/67 "2016-07-05T23:52:44Z")
The current Republic Party is a racist, sexist hate group. Especially here in The south. I would never vote for any Republic. Look at that bag of garbage that ran in the primaries for that parties nomination. I like Clinton fine and am very pleased to vote for her. Think it’s not too fair to prefer someone who didn’t go through the rigors of the primaries though like Biden, too. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/68 "2016-07-05T23:54:38Z")
> [@Alex\_from\_CB](#): > > The current Republic Party is a racist, sexist hate group. Especially here in The south. I would never vote for any Republic. If this is your attempt at a gotcha for all of those idiots who use “Democrat Party,” it’s not working. At all. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/69 "2016-07-06T00:36:06Z")
I am hard-pressed to imagine any GOP candidate that I would support over a Democratic one. HRC may not be my favorite choice, but I’m voting for her because I agree with her more than I disagree. That she’s up against Trump only heightens the urgency behind her need to win; it doesn’t alter my vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/70 "2016-07-06T00:51:20Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Interestingly [a recent USA today poll](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/04/usa-today-suffolk-poll-voters-alarmed-trump-clinton/86632526/) asked about this exact issue. Interesting. Thanks for posting that. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/71 "2016-07-06T00:55:31Z")
I was on board with Bernie for a few weeks but I got over it. Hillary has been my choice, on purpose, since she threw her hat in the ring. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/72 "2016-07-06T00:56:18Z")
Yeah, like some others, I’ll vote for \_\_\_\_ (D) over \_\_\_\_\_ ®, fill in the blanks as you will. (Assuming we’re talking current Democrats over current Republicans; no fair slipping Lincoln into that “R” slot!) Clinton wasn’t my first choice; I too was hoping Biden would run. (Fuck, I still wish Gore would’ve taken a shot at it.) But I’d vote for her no matter who the Republican is. Being a New Yorker, I probably have the luxury to write someone’s name in or vote for Jill Stein, but I’m not willing to risk it. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/73 "2016-07-06T02:52:07Z")
> [@Alex\_from\_CB](#): > > The current Republic Party is a racist, sexist hate group. Especially here in The south. I would never vote for any Republic. Look at that bag of garbage that ran in the primaries for that parties nomination. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > If this is your attempt at a gotcha for all of those idiots who use “Democrat Party,” it’s not working. At all. Agreed. Not in love with the tactic. The way to defeat them is not to emulate them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/74 "2016-07-06T03:16:47Z")
Absolutely voting against Trump by voting for her. A year ago, I could not have imagined a scenario in which I would vote for Clinton. But here we are. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/75 "2016-07-06T03:21:21Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Agreed. Not in love with the tactic. The way to defeat them is not to emulate them. Meh. Satirizing is not emulating. Not saying it works great but as a one-off it at least gets a B-. Better than lots of other satire attempts we get here. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/76 "2016-07-06T10:59:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Clinton supporters say they are mostly voting for her, not against him. Trump’s backers are more evenly divided on their motivation: 48% are mostly voting for him; 39% are mostly voting against her. I think this says more about the some people who are Trump supporters than it does about either Hillary or Trump. These are people who tend to check “against the other guy” in any election. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I’m surprised I’m the first person to say that my primary motivation is neither pro-Hillary nor anti-Trump. It’s anti-Republican-party, and (somewhat less so) pro-Democratic-party. > > Given the Republican behavior in congress, their anti-intellectualism, the importance of the supreme court, and the generally loathsome nature of the party as a whole, it would take a combination of a once-in-a-century amazing Republican and a once-in-a-century-unacceptable Democrat to get me to vote for a Republican. As it turns out, we do have a once-in-a-century-despicable candidate… but on the Republican side, which just makes an easy decision easier. > > And I think Clinton is a fine candidate. Not particularly better or worse than, say, John Kerry. So I’ll happily vote for her. > > And I very much like the idea of a first woman president, although that’s just a fringe benefit. I agree with this in its entirety. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/77 "2016-07-06T13:49:58Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > If this is your attempt at a gotcha for all of those idiots who use “Democrat Party,” it’s not working. At all. Sure it is. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/78 "2016-07-06T14:12:00Z")
I’m happily voting for Hillary. I would have liked Biden - but I’m glad he’s retiring - he deserves it, his life hasn’t been easy or stress free and I don’t think he needs the job. I look forward to him becoming a Clinton adviser. I would have held my nose and voted for Bernie. I would not have voted for anyone in the GOP clown car this year. I might have voted for the Romney who was governor, but not the Romney that ran. The GOP primaries push everyone too far right, and I sincerely hope the Democrats don’t follow suit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/79 "2016-07-06T17:53:16Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Agreed. Not in love with the tactic. The way to defeat them is not to emulate them. The way to defeat them is to take the term for ourself. Really, there’s nothing wrong with “Democrat”- i am a Democrat. The term _Democrat Part_y is not really bad- only the GOP use of it like that- and our overreaction makes it so. Embrace it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110/80 "2016-07-06T18:25:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The way to defeat them is to take the term for ourself. Really, there’s nothing wrong with “Democrat”- i am a Democrat. The term _Democrat Part_y is not really bad- only the GOP use of it like that- and our overreaction makes it so. Embrace it. Saying “hey, quit being a jerk” isn’t an overreaction. I’m not inclined to embrace something meant as a slur. If it was only directed at me, then maybe, but it’s directed at a big group, trying to change the way we refer to ourselves. I choose not to go along with that, and I choose to criticize those who do. Not a huge deal, and not a huge deal to say that I think it’s shitty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/persons-planning-to-vote-for-clinton-are-you-really-just-voting-against-trump-s/759110.md?page=5)