# PETA eats their young. Or your young, whichever's handy... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602 "2003-12-17T20:07:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/41 "2003-12-18T13:52:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > **First, I need to point out that I don’t condone fur; I think it’s a barbaric practice and don’t own any fur that isn’t obviously fake.** Whilst I know little of fur coats, I would have to ask how PETA do intend to distinguish between real fur and fake fur? I’m told that some of the fakes really are very close to the genuine article. If so then the likelihood is they’re going to be antagonising people who actually agree with their stance on fur? ---
**Author:** ![heresiarch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@heresiarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heresiarch)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/42 "2003-12-18T14:10:10Z")
Some people get off on feeling persecuted. If they can’t be loved, they’d prefer to be reviled. I guess their sense of self is so weak that they need a lot of attention, positive or negative, to feel like they mattter. They become obnoxious so that they can feel persecuted, And their “woe is me - I’m so persecuted” routine just makes them more obnoxious. These attention whores may attach themselves to very good causes or noble ideas, but their zealotry besmirches their cause. Yeah, it’s armchair psychology. But I needed some way to explain to myself why anyone would join PETA, or a white supremacist group, or become a radical fundamentalist evangelical, or … I dunno. It even helps me deal with the existence of Fred Phelps. ---
**Author:** ![spingears](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@spingears](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spingears)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/43 "2003-12-18T14:15:57Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Blalron \* \*\* > [@](#): > > How can you kill a dead animal? It’s already dead. \*\* This proves the points made earlier that they don’t have all their marbles, etc. etc. Busybodies, meddlers, and Idjits! * * * “Beware of the Cog” ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/44 "2003-12-18T14:16:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\*Whilst I know little of fur coats, I would have to ask how PETA do intend to distinguish between real fur and fake fur? > > I’m told that some of the fakes really are very close to the genuine article. If so then the likelihood is they’re going to be antagonising people who actually agree with their stance on fur? \*\* The one thing I have that has an actual animal pattern is a cape with fake leopard-pattern plush. If it weren’t on the cape, it’d be on a stuffed animal. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/45 "2003-12-18T14:34:01Z")
Well, y’know, I am reminded of a case a while back where anti-abortion freakos persecuted the hell out of a woman. This woman had had a miscarriage, you see. She WANTED her baby, and lost it… and was visiting this family planning clinic for counseling, right? She felt bad. Duh. …and the abortion freakos, who were monitoring the clinic, took down her license number (or whatever), got her home address, and began sending her really nasty abortion-freako literature, complete with the fetus pictures, and suchlike. This, despite the fact she had not had an abortion, had not sought an abortion, and was still kind of shaky about having lost her baby. I forget exactly what happened. I think she sued them for harassment or something. Made the news. I do remember the response from the freako leader, though. He remarked something to the effect of, “Sure, we made a mistake, but we feel that saving the unborn is more important than not traumatizing this woman.” In short, deal with it, lady, we’re on a mission from God. And no, I can’t cite it, this happened quite some time ago and I’ve forgotten the names involved. But I remember the attitude. Screw you, lady, we’re on a mission from God. And durned if I think the PETA gang would say anything different if you pointed out, “Hey! You just ruined my expensive FAKE fur that is cruelty-free and not made from animals!” “Screw you, lady, we’re on a mission from God. Next time, wear something that doesn’t look like what we’re on a crusade against…” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/46 "2003-12-18T15:05:46Z")
“Your Mommy and Daddy kill animals!” “Fucking-A they do - so why are you trying to piss them off? Run now, while you got the chance!” > [@](#): > > One such misunderstanding appears in your post, Wang-Ka. Namely, AR folks such as Tom Reagan (probably the movement’s best philosopher) defines rights as negative, not positive, duties. > > In his view, I never have a right to your assistance; rather, I have a right to not be fucked with by you. My right imposes a negative duty on you: you’ve got a duty not to kill me, for example. > > When he suggests that animals have rights, that simply means they impose negative duties on those who have a moral system. You don’t have a responsibility toward the furry creatures of the forest beyond your responsibility not to fuck with them. Nice exposition, but wouldn’t you say that one of the negative duties owed to all living things would be not to fuck with their children’s heads? Not that I expect PETA to be logically consistent, or that you agree with them further than “unnecessary cruelty to animals is wrong”. Which I would agree with as well. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/47 "2003-12-18T15:12:01Z")
**Master Wang-Ka** , I was always a bit nervous about something like that happening to me when I went to Planned Parenthood in Georgia. Never mind that I was going there for the pill so as to AVOID the possibility of an abortion… As for fur, my acceptance is conditional. One, it must be a REALLY cold climate. Two, say you have a rabbit. You shoot it, you eat it, you use the fur. I can’t complain about that. I wouldn’t buy a commercial-sold fur coat, though. PETA is nuts, though. Just nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/48 "2003-12-18T15:30:58Z")
Well, y’know what? You have the right to not wear fur, as well as the right to not buy fur, not eat animals, and so on, and I’ll fight to the death to DEFEND your right to not wear fur or eat dead rabbits or whatever. But, as usual, Shodan makes a pretty potent point. “Responsibility not to screw around with their kids’ heads.” Regardless of how sacred your friggin’ moral agenda is. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/49 "2003-12-18T15:33:48Z")
I’ve got 5 dolars down that half fo the PETA folks haven’t actually ever lived outdoors, probably never even went camping. ---
**Author:** ![AngelicGemma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/439d5e/32.png) [@AngelicGemma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelicGemma)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/50 "2003-12-18T15:42:05Z")
I’m sure once I stop laughing I’ll be annoyed… ---
**Author:** ![DeaganTheWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DeaganTheWolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeaganTheWolf)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/51 "2003-12-18T16:02:23Z")
Grumbles:: That link is hilarious but seriously disturbing if you were a child. Here’s my beef with PETA. About 4 years ago we had an Earth Day celebration at our campus. This was a fun fest filled with hippies, reggae music, and most importantly to me: FAIR FOOD. I love fair food. Now at the time I had no job and I saved ten dollars from my grocery budget in order to indulge myself in my favorite delicacy; a foot long, extra jumbo, spicy as hell, grease-filled sausage with peppers and onions. ( doesn’t sound like a lot of money, but trust me it was a big enough deal when you are broke) That’s the kind you can ONLY get at fair vendors. I go to the green, wait in a line for about 15 min and finally get my treat, which I had anticipated all week. I didn’t get ONE bite. Not one. Before I was even finished putting ketchup on it, one of the local PETA reps slapped it out of my hand, and screamed “Meat is Murder! You are a murderer!” right in my face. This did not go over well. At first I merely stood agahst. My oh-so delicious treat, which I had carefully saved for was now lying in a puddle of mud and crap from one of the hippies dogs. Totally unsalvageable. I can only assume that I was targeted, since I’m rather short and small. PETA girl now gives me a bright smile and tries to hand me some literature. I take it. Not the literature, Her wrist. In a death grip. I dragged her screaming at the top of her lungs the whole time over to the PETA tent and found the Doofus-In-Charge. PETA girl continues to struggle against my grip on her tiny wrist. Doofus-In-Charge looks at her, looks at my face, and finally asks if he could help me. I proceed to tell him that if he doesn’t refund the money that she just wasted I was going to kick his stupid little tent down around his ears. Naturally he refuses. By this time Peta girl is crying from the lack of blood flow in her hand; (i’ve forgotten that i’ve still got her wrist). I ask if I can have some literature. He eagerly agrees. I take EVERY bit of of it and begin tearing it up and grinding it into the dirt. PETA-girl (now released) high tails it for the campus police officers who were milling about. Doofus-In-Charge looks around nervously as they make their way over to the tent. Finally after a lengthy conversation, they agree to refund my money. I recieved a stern lecture about putting my hands on people. Now happily clutching my ten dollars I make a bee-line for the Sausage-Cart. It’s closed. It’s fucking closed. They wasted my one shot at getting my recompense. My rage knew no limits. Luckily, a good friend of mine had caught the tail end of it and had bought me one before the cart closed. I gave him the money, and proceeded to slop every bit of grease all over my face as I ate it in front of PETA-Girl, and Doofus. I understand that later in the evening PETA-girl was arrested for dumping paint on someone’s new leather jacket. From that day I have made it a small mission to annoy the hell out of PETA at every oppurtunity. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Verick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ea666f/32.png) [@Verick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Verick)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/52 "2003-12-18T16:49:13Z")
**DeaganTheWolf** I loved that story. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Montgomery\_Burns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/db5fbb/32.png) [@Montgomery\_Burns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montgomery_Burns)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/53 "2003-12-18T16:58:53Z")
PETA may be for the ethical treatment of animals but apparently such treatment doesn’t always extend to children. ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/54 "2003-12-18T17:41:33Z")
I’d just like to take this opportunity to share my favorite Ingrid Newkirk quote: > [@](#): > > Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses. There is nothing that PETA can say or do that will surprise me. They’re nothing but attention-whores. ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/55 "2003-12-18T18:09:33Z")
Urge to maim PETA members… rising… ---
**Author:** ![Elret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Elret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elret)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/56 "2003-12-18T18:33:38Z")
I wholly agree that PETA does more harm than good as far as the animal rights war goes. I know there are a lot of great organizations out there that support animal rights in a non-psychotic way, but it would be nice to see a charity start up with the goal of stopping PETA from their moronic ways by specifically following each of their stupid stunts with sensible advertising and genuine explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Scarlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlet)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/57 "2003-12-18T18:36:34Z")
Nothing they do any more suprises me. I can’t stand PETA, but they’re tame compared to ALF (Animal Liberation Front, or something like that). Wackos all of them. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/58 "2003-12-18T18:45:30Z")
Why The Nutcracker? Why not stake out the finer restaurants? Hell, there are parents attending their children’s Xmas performances at school…why not stake out the schools? It’s cold enough to need a coat while shopping…why not tackle these women as they enter the malls and boutiques? I think PETA is limiting themselves by just sticking to one ballet. There’s such an open field out there for them to spread their message. They are not thinking big enough. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/59 "2003-12-18T18:50:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scarlet \* > \*\*Nothing they do any more suprises me. I can’t stand PETA, but they’re tame compared to ALF (Animal Liberation Front, or something like that). Wackos all of them. \*\* Are you sure you’re not thinking of ELF (_Earth_ Liberation Front)? These are the folks who set SUV dealerships on fire. I think they also burned down a ski resort. ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602/60 "2003-12-18T19:00:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scarlet \* > **I can’t stand PETA, but they’re tame compared to ALF** Yeah, that hairy bastard ate my cat! Send him back to Melmac! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-eats-their-young-or-your-young-whichevers-handy/219602.md?page=4)