# PETA gets hosed. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357 "2005-04-14T21:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/21 "2005-04-15T17:49:54Z")
What a hoot! Thanks for the laugh. This is as good as the Sod Off Swampy incident involving Green Peace. That said, PETA is a joke, but I dislike the way factory farmed chickens are raised. It is inhumane. I purchase only free range chickens. And I do participate in Eat An Animal For PETA Day. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/22 "2005-04-15T18:25:38Z")
> [@js\_africanus](#): > > Because _everybody_ is for the ethical treatment of animals; we vary on what ethical treatment actually is. Not only is PETA committing a fallacy by begging the question, they are using that logical crime to tell the rest of us that we are unethical. > I’ve never heard a PETA or SETA person establish that their standards are more ethical than my own, I have only heard them call me unethical without any justification. So it amuses me greatly when I hear that they get the hose turned on them. Based on my experience they are, as a group, assholes. Actually, I’d have to say that _no one_ is for the ethical treatment of animals. We eat them, we breed them to our tastes (in every sense of the word), we use them for tasks, we experiment on them, we domesticate them. And with our expansion as a species, we drive them out of their native habitats, and hasten their extinction. The best thing that we could do for them would be to do each other in and leave them alone. No, I have no intention of leaving this planet any time soon, and yes, I like a good T-Bone every now and again. I just can’t fault someone speaking out to end what seems like cruelty, whether it truly is or not. They may be assholes, but so are lots of folks. Turning hoses on people with whom you disagree is a slippery slope, especially in this current political climate. Incidentally, if I read the intent of your response, **Thank you** for using “beggin the question” correctly. I understand that their will be a march on Washington to end the misuse of this phrase. Bring your raincoat 🙂 Best to all, plynck ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/23 "2005-04-15T18:38:41Z")
Well, i know that hating PETA is sort of a badge of honor around here, and i certainly have a problem with many of their tactics, but it seems to me that some things are worth getting in a lather about. Last July, i started [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=267727) about a PETA video showing workers in a KFC-contracted company’s slaughterhouse committing awful acts of cruelty. The video link in that thread still works; have a look at it, **js\_africanus** , and let me know whether that falls within your definition of “ethical” treatment of animals. Of course, supporters of KFC argue that they’re not responsible for any poor practices on the part of their suppliers. But KFC itself begs to differ, noting on the Animal Welfare section of its [website](http://www.kfc.com/about/animalwelfare.htm): > [@](#): > > However, as a major purchaser of food products, we have the opportunity, and responsibility, to influence the way animals supplied to us are treated. We take that responsibility very seriously, and we are monitoring our suppliers on an ongoing basis to determine whether our suppliers are using humane procedures for caring for and handling animals they supply to us. As a consequence, it is our goal to only deal with suppliers who promise to maintain our high standards and share our commitment to animal welfare. I wonder, given this claim of corporate good citizenship, whether KFC is still doing business with Pilgrim’s Pride, the company in whose factory these abuses occurred. > [@Plynck](#): > > Incidentally, if I read the intent of your response, Thank you for using “beggin the question” correctly. I understand that **their** will be a march on Washington to end the misuse of this phrase. There will also be a march to raise consciousness about the difference between “there” and “their.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/24 "2005-04-15T19:03:28Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > There will also be a march to raise consciousness about the difference between “there” and “their.” 😃 :o PIAWTT (Proofreading Is _Always_ Worth The Time) :o :o I was just about to post to correct my mistake when I read your post :o Bring out the sprinklers… plynck ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/25 "2005-04-15T19:39:41Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, i know that hating PETA is sort of a badge of honor around here, and i certainly have a problem with many of their tactics, but it seems to me that some things are worth getting in a lather about. > > Last July, i started [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=267727)… Okay, I had never seen this previous thread, and it looks like I may have walked onto a battlefield here. It wasn’t my intent in my original reply to address animal rights; it was to comment on an animal rights activist’s right to Freedom of Speech. I am pro-choice ( :smack: uhoh, another battlefield), but I would be just as concerned about a pro-lifer being hosed down during a non-violent demonstration. Democracy. Really sucks doesn’t it? 🙂 plynck ---
**Author:** ![velvetjones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5f9b8f/32.png) [@velvetjones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velvetjones)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/26 "2005-04-15T20:03:54Z")
This is what completely got me: The KFC Manager said “To me, there is no difference between them and al-Qaida.” He can’t really be serious, can he? Is PETA really all that bad? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/27 "2005-04-15T20:16:15Z")
> [@velvetjones](#): > > This is what completely got me: > > The KFC Manager said “To me, there is no difference between them and al-Qaida.” > > He can’t really be serious, can he? Is PETA really all that bad? Indeed, as stupid as some of the protestors’ quotes were, this one takes the cake. When the first person dies as a result of a PETA protest, then this comparison will be appropriate–and not until. This is damn near close to the stupidity of PETA comparing meat-eating to the Holocaust. I can’t muster sympathy for anyone in this story, truth be told, but I predict that PETA will eventually win in this campaign, just as they won their McDonald’s campaign and Burger King campaign. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/28 "2005-04-15T21:52:16Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Indeed, as stupid as some of the protestors’ quotes were, this one takes the cake. When the first person dies as a result of a PETA protest, then this comparison will be appropriate–and not until. Although PETA is associated with the Animal Liberation Front, an organization known for members making death threats aimed at people and companies that they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/29 "2005-04-15T21:55:55Z")
They’ve also been helping fund the North American Earth Liberation Front, which the FBI classifies as a domestic terrorist group. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/30 "2005-04-15T22:07:38Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Indeed, as stupid as some of the protestors’ quotes were, this one takes the cake. When the first person dies as a result of a PETA protest, then this comparison will be appropriate–and not until. Does it matter which side of the protest suffers the death? Cuz I’d…never mind ---
**Author:** ![Tenar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@Tenar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tenar)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/31 "2005-04-16T02:03:18Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > Even us Democrats think those PETA folks are just plain nutty. Well, yes and no. (I really dislike overgeneralizations.) I think activist organizations are like political parties in that you can agree with **some** of what they do without necessarily buying into the whole package. Sure, a lot of the PETAs are nuts, but I am one Democrat who thinks PETA does have its place. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/32 "2005-04-16T02:25:25Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > Well, better they protest then giving lab rats with infectious diseases to loving families. “What’re they infected with?!?” “Rage.” ---
**Author:** ![Andros\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Andros\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andros_X)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357/33 "2005-04-16T03:09:21Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Although PETA is associated with the Animal Liberation Front, an organization known for members making death threats aimed at people and companies that they don’t like. Which is kinda funny, considering that an FBI chief working on eco-terrorism had this to say about the ALF: > [@](#): > > Despite the destructive aspects of ALF’s operations, its operational philosophy discourages acts that harm “any animal, human and nonhuman.” Animal rights groups in the United States, including the ALF, have generally adhered to this mandate. [Source](http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm) I don’t believe that the ALF or the ELF are terrorist groups. For one thing, neither group has killed anyone; that seems to be a common element in most terrorist groups that is missing in this case. Plus, their actions don’t seem to instill the kind of widespread terror that, say, crashing an airplane into the WTC does. Note that these two things don’t necessarily make it right; their actions are illegal, and I think that most people here, including myself, would want them to consider a more constructive way to make clear their grievances. But putting them in the same basket with al-Qaida isn’t justified. Less so is calling PETA a terrorist group; they’re annoying, sure, but they’re nonviolent, and I don’t see where they have committed any “acts of terrorism”. Spraying them with the sprinklers was in bad taste. Comparing them to al-Qaida is moronic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-gets-hosed/299357.md?page=1)