# PETA vs. McVeigh **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 24, 2001, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310 "2001-03-24T14:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/1 "2001-03-24T14:39:20Z")
Ok. I get that PETA has a reputation of taking extreme positions (or ‘extreme’ when related to the mainstream of the US). I also get that one could propose pretty much any punishment for Tim McVeigh and folks would line up in order to administer it. But… in[this](http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/mcveighmeal010323.html) PETA made the request that since McVeigh has ‘already taken too many lives’ should be forced to dine a vegetarian diet his last few days. So PETA is now seeing vegetarianism as a _punishment_? My brain hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/2 "2001-03-24T14:55:38Z")
PETA is just desperate for attention, that’s all. Pay them no heed. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/3 "2001-03-24T15:19:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Saint Zero \* > \*\*PETA is just desperate for attention, that’s all. > > Pay them no heed. \*\* Next up: The sun rises in the east, the Cubs take a dive in June…Chief Scott makes a boob related post. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/4 "2001-03-24T16:12:40Z")
While we are at it… 1. Braves take a dive in September 2. New Orleans Saints take a dive in June and… 3. Despite promises, Democrats and Republicans get back to their main job in life: Squabbling over who will control the country. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/5 "2001-03-24T16:27:53Z")
ok, ok, ok, I \*\* said\*\* I know PETA’s rep. but isn’t this really strange, even for them? I’m looking at it as : 1. Tim McVeigh is the meanest lowest down critter on the face of the earth we aughtta punish him, yea, let’s not let him eat **meat**! (but aren’t they really trying to **get** people to not eat meat??? or maybe they’re looking at it like this: 1. Tim McVeigh, meanest lowest down critter on the face of the earth but he’s still a human being that we aught to treat well, and try and improve his lifestyle by going meatless (improve his **lifestyle**?? he’s gonna die in less than two months - it’s not like he’ll be able to get any health benefit from the meatless regime.) or is the rationale like: 1. Tim McVEigh may be the meanest lowest down critter on the face of the earth, but daggumm it, folks pay attention to what he does, maybe if **he’s** going meatless, others will to! (but, there’s really not a whole lotta folks out there talking about wanting to emulate ole’ Tim, and -{gross characterization coming up here, inflated purely for the sport of it, not intentionally inflamatory to any group} -I suspect the few that would are more into killing their food with their bare hands and eating it raw) See what I mean??? it just doesn’t make **any** kind of sense, not even the twisted stuff we’ve come to know and love from PETA. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/6 "2001-03-24T16:38:18Z")
If it makes you feel better, I don’t see the point in it either. Maybe they decided they’d get better publicity out of this than they get throwing red dye on fur coats. Personally, I think McVeigh sould be fed ground glass but I worked as a volunteer in OKC during the resuce and clean up so my views on that are tainted. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/7 "2001-03-24T16:40:30Z")
[and obviously it still upsets me enough to effect my spelling!] That should be: Personally, I think McVeigh should be fed ground glass but I worked as a volunteer in OKC during the rescue and clean up so my views on that are tainted. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/8 "2001-03-24T16:46:02Z")
thanks **Arden Ranger** it **does** make me feel better. (aside - no need to apologize re: your feelings on McVeigh, at least to me. My hat’s off to you and the others that were there.) ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/9 "2001-03-24T19:00:26Z")
I think their point is: 1. Timonthy McVeigh has killed a lot. Eating meat also involves killing. McVeigh shouldn’t be allowed to kill any more. I’m not saying it makes sense, but that’s what I think they mean. ---
**Author:** ![ChiefScott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@ChiefScott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChiefScott)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/10 "2001-03-24T19:04:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Chief Scott makes a boob related post. **Hey!** Better that than a tit/hooter/breastasies post. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/11 "2001-03-24T19:40:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JeffB \* > \*\*I think their point is: > > 1. Timonthy McVeigh has killed a lot. Eating meat also involves killing. McVeigh shouldn’t be allowed to kill any more. > > I’m not saying it makes sense, but that’s what I think they mean. \*\* And of course, to PETA, plants aren’t cute, so they aren’t alive. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Gretchen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Miss\_Gretchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Gretchen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/12 "2001-03-24T20:53:56Z")
I have actually sometimes wondered if PETA is secretly operated and funded by some far-right group, or the meat industry, or the fur industry, etc., looking to make all animal rights type groups look ridiculous. I mean, the stupid shite that PETA is always pulling, how can anyone really take them remotely seriously? PETA is so often forefront in the media, and by association, other people might start seeing all vegetarians or whatever as raving loonies, due to PETA’s high profile. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/13 "2001-03-24T20:56:39Z")
That certainly would explain this most recent one, **Miss Gretchen**. hell it has my vote. (and we know how important \*\*that \*\* is!) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/14 "2001-03-24T21:03:04Z")
I saw your point originally. I still think it’s just an attempt to get Free Publicity by attaching their name to **anything** high profile. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/15 "2001-03-24T21:08:57Z")
Referring to Flymaster’s post earlier on this thread “Vegetarians are people that are too insensitive to hear a carrot scream” Maybe we carnivores should start a PETV and see what PETA thinks of that! ---
**Author:** ![ThisYearsGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@ThisYearsGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisYearsGirl)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/16 "2001-03-24T22:55:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baker \* > \*\*Referring to Flymaster’s post earlier on this thread “Vegetarians are people that are too insensitive to hear a carrot scream” Maybe we carnivores should start a PETV and see what PETA thinks of that! \*\* [stupid vegetarian mode] Because by eating an animal, you are also eating all the plants that animal had to eat in order to live. So you’re “killing” vegetables no matter what you do[/stupid vegetarian mode] Sorry to be bitchy, but I am sick of people using that “Well, broccoli is alive, too!” logic on me ---
**Author:** ![scampering\_gremlin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@scampering\_gremlin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scampering_gremlin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2001, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/17 "2001-03-24T23:29:18Z")
[http://www.petasucks.cc/](http://www.petasucks.cc/) ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2001, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/18 "2001-03-25T00:26:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ThisYearsGirl \* > \*\*Sorry to be bitchy, but I am sick of people using that “Well, broccoli is alive, too!” logic on me \*\* For the record, I’m not anti-vegetarian, I’m anti-PETA. If you are a member of PETA, then I’m anti-you, I guess, but if you’re not in PETA, I’m perfectly fine with people of all diets and fur wearing opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2001, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/19 "2001-03-25T02:19:32Z")
Flymaster, I hope there was’nt a misunderstanding. When I “referred” to your post I was in agreement with you, about the cuteness issue and all. I think PETA is crazy. My comment about carrots screaming was meant to take PETA’s “logic” even further. Who are THEY to say what is worthy of survival? I’m not making much sense, am I? Suffice it to say I am both an animal lover and a carnivore(omnivore actually) I will eat anything standing still, or even moving slowly. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2001, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310/20 "2001-03-25T02:37:00Z")
Absolutely, Baker. No misunderstanding at all. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peta-vs-mcveigh/59310.md?page=2)