# Pete Rose & the Hall of Fame **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 10, 2002, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228 "2002-08-10T02:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2002, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/41 "2002-08-15T01:53:07Z")
When Bowie Kuhn “banned” Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle from baseball for working at Bally’s, he did NOT say they couldn’t go to games, and he did NOT say they couldn’t put on their old uniforms and take part in Old Timer’s games. All he said was that they could not work for Bally’s while simultaneously working for a major league team. I happen to think that was a very reasonable stipulation. Fact is, Mantle and Mays COULD have goen to Yankee or Met Old Timers’ games any time they likied. They CHOSE not to, as a matter of spite. Most fans assumed that Bowie Kuhn was keeping them away from those games, and Mantle and Mays happily LET the fans think just that. In this case, I think the Commissioner was 100% right, and the Hall of Famers were 100% wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2002, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/42 "2002-08-15T04:23:40Z")
Personally, I don’t care if Rose not only bet on games, but threw them for proffit. I could give a rats ass if he admitted as much in front of the Lord God almighty with one hand on a bible. Rose should be in for his acomplishments on the field, not as a manager. The whole idea of the “integrity” of baseball is a sick, sick joke with people like Selig in charge. Baseball has no integrity, not as it is currently run. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2002, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/43 "2002-08-15T15:04:30Z")
Again, Weirddave, it’s important to understand that Bud Selig has no control over the Hall of Fame. It is a completely separate institution. Why should the Hall of Fame defile itself by inducting Pete Rose because Bud Selig is a scumbag? I just don’t follow that logic. The Hall of Fame has some integrity. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2002, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/44 "2002-08-15T15:09:54Z")
Just because Bud is a scumbag doesn’t mean Pete isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2002, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/45 "2002-08-15T23:41:58Z")
I find it really hard to believe that Rose began betting on baseball games at the same time that he began managing the Reds. How convienient. Uh-uh, don’t think so. In fact I think the Dowd report said that Rose was betting on games as far back as the mid-late 1970’s which is when he was “on the field.” ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2002, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/46 "2002-08-16T02:53:00Z")
Maybe, WSL, but it’s worse for a manager when you are responsible for others. ---
**Author:** ![Oblong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c0e974/32.png) [@Oblong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oblong)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2002, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/47 "2002-08-16T13:17:51Z")
since when is managing not “on the field”? ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228/48 "2002-08-17T01:06:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Oblong \* > \*\*since when is managing not “on the field”? \*\* I meant literally on the playing field, instead of in the dugout. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Rose the player/manager for the Reds for a few seasons? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pete-rose-the-hall-of-fame/123228.md?page=2)