# Peter Dinklage Rips Disney For ‘Snow White’ Remake: ‘What The F\*\*k Are You Doing?!’ **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [January 25, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359 "2022-01-25T13:44:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/725 "2023-08-30T01:59:00Z")
Its not a non-consensual kiss. Shes incapable of giving consent. She is for all purposes dead. AGAIN…do people complain at funerals that someone kissed the corpse? If anything the complaint should be the Prince is kissing a corpse, Conflating a fairy tale kiss of a loved one in a moment of grief with something like what Adrian Brody did or that Spanish coach is ridiculous. It actually cheapens real life examples. Also also…“Think of the children!” Also also also: Its a good $#&&ing thing he DID kiss her. For her sake and the entire kingdom. Switching to Sleeping Beauty: “You must now kiss Aurora to waken her and the entire kingdom!” Philip: “Whoa whoa whoa!! I draw the line at non-consensual kissing” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/726 "2023-08-30T02:00:06Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Its not a non-consensual kiss. Shes incapable of giving consent. … that’s what makes it non-consensual. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/727 "2023-08-30T02:00:48Z")
As is any corpse This argument borders on the even more ridiculous claims people make about don’t kiss your babies or pets…“They cant give consent” ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/728 "2023-08-30T02:58:22Z")
It’s worth noting that the Prince and Snow White do indeed share true love, otherwise the kiss would not have worked. (Same as in Sleeping Beauty.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/729 "2023-08-30T03:04:35Z")
I feel like the people who are saying, “it’s not creepy because the story says its not creepy” are sort of missing the main thrust of the criticism. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/730 "2023-08-30T03:21:53Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > . But I’m not sure that non-consensual kisses are okay is the message we want to send to young people. Again, not a 'non-consensual kiss". It was saying goodbye to a loved one. Trust me, my dead Grandmother did not give consent, but most of us kissed her dead face anyway. It is a common cultural thing. Are you saying that that culture is wrong and your culture is right? > [@Pavelb1](#): > > Its not a non-consensual kiss. Shes incapable of giving consent. She is for all purposes dead. AGAIN…do people complain at funerals that someone kissed the corpse? Right. Those people calling it a non consensual kiss are disrespecting other peoples cultures. > [@Miller](#): > > I feel like the people who are saying, “it’s not creepy because the story says its not creepy” are sort of missing the main thrust of the criticism. So, you are calling my peoples culture and that culture and many other peoples culture “creepy”? Look, you may tsay kissing a dead loved one goodbye is something your culture doesnt do. Fine. But in other people’s cultures it is common and expected. Many cultures have traditions related to the dead that are different than others. In some bodies are floated down the river. In others they are laid out on top of platforms, or cremated, or buried until only the bones are left , and then the bones are put in an ossuary. To me, none of those are _creepy_, just because we dont do things that way. Calling it creepy is cultural insensitivity. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/731 "2023-08-30T03:23:42Z")
Yeah, I agree there’s a lot of going in circles…(No sarcasm) I’ll end my input with the following: IMHO, its not a ‘non-consensual kiss’ because a non-consensual kiss means 'you didn’t get consent." But there has to be the potential for consent. Shooting a corpse isn’t murder and kissing a corpse isnt a non consensual kiss\* - HE thinks she’s dead. From his POV there is no moral failing. Theres no bad lesson about consent to be taught in Snow White other then maybe the argument about stalking. I’d have to see it again. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/732 "2023-08-30T03:25:56Z")
nah, forget it. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/733 "2023-08-30T03:49:25Z")
Anyway. The true love kiss was right for the market demand of the time of the Disney movie, which why it was changed to that from the apple dislodging when the glass casket got jostled. It isn’t right for the market demand of this time. The whole fairy tale one true love trope, the singular love you are fated for, is not the romantic story that appeals today. The princess being rescued by a group of brave males, short or otherwise, that she has won over by being pretty, cooking and cleaning for, and singing to, and by a prince, and not saved by her own agency or growth (or possibly the power of family or friendship or sisterhood) is also not right for today’s market. The property has to be adapted to the current times. That should be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/734 "2023-08-30T07:01:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I feel like the people who are saying, “it’s not creepy because the story says its not creepy” are sort of missing the main thrust of the criticism. Exactly! And if some stranger walked in off the street to a funeral to kiss the corpse, I would think most of us would also find that weird. Side note: Snow White was in this state of suspended animation for what, a year? How was she being nourished? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/735 "2023-08-30T07:35:26Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It isn’t right for the market demand of this time. The whole fairy tale one true love trope, the singular love you are fated for, is not the romantic story that appeals today. I hear this a lot, I’m not convinced it is true. > [@DSeid](#): > > The princess being rescued by a group of brave males, short or otherwise, that she has won over by being pretty, cooking and cleaning for, and singing to, and by a prince, and not saved by her own agency or growth (or possibly the power of family or friendship or sisterhood) is also not right for today’s market. If the stories told are _only_ ever the former and _never_ the latter, or vice versa, then we will live in a tedious world of paint-by-numbers movies, where you can take a fair guess at how the story with progress based purely on whether the main character is female or not. There is nothing inherently wrong or disparaging about depicting a caring, loving woman carrying out such duties as Snow White does, looking after people and being lauded for it. Equally there is nothing wrong with Ellen Ripley being the toughest of the tough and being one of the greatest action heroes due to her bravery and resourcefulness. Snow white could cook, clean, sing, take care of the dwarfs, wish for true love and still be someone who is tough and resourceful. > [@DSeid](#): > > The property has to be adapted to the current times. That should be obvious. I don’t think it is obvious at all. And certainly it is not necessary to adapt to the extent that the rumours suggest. No reason why it couldn’t be a success as a pretty straight remake of the original. Indeed, it’d be far more interesting to see that done. The changes allegedly made in the new one are predictable and you can guess ahead of time how they’ll portray Snow White, in fact I think you pretty much nailed it in your paragraph above. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/736 "2023-08-30T08:46:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Calling it creepy is cultural insensitivity. “Calling it murder is cultural insensitivity. It’s just their way to rip still-beating hearts out” “Calling it child rape is cultural insensitivity. Having child brides is just their tradition” “Calling it mutilation is cultural insensitivity. Hacking off clitorises with rusty razor blades is a folkway we must respect” … _ad infinitum_ Yes, it’s creepy. “But my culture…” is never a Get Out Of Jail Free card to all criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/737 "2023-08-30T12:12:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, it’s creepy. “But my culture…” is never a Get Out Of Jail Free card to all criticism. “But my culture” is a reasonable defense of differences in manners and cultural norms, as opposed to morals. The things you mention are moral offenses and demonstrably harm people. What kind of treatment of dead bodies is acceptable and respectful vs. creepy is cultural. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/738 "2023-08-30T12:13:02Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “Calling it murder is cultural insensitivity. It’s just their way to rip still-beating hearts out” > “Calling it child rape is cultural insensitivity. Having child brides is just their tradition” > “Calling it mutilation is cultural insensitivity. Hacking off clitorises with rusty razor blades is a folkway we must respect” > … _ad infinitum_ ad absurdum, All those examples you give are of serious, material, physical harm being inflicted on an innocent person. They do not compare well to the (fairly widespread) example of kissing a corpse. A corpse that presumably was comfortable with the practice having been immersed in said culture. I can’t speak for DrDeth but certainly I’d say that we have no business interfering or judging aspects of other cultures that cause no harm. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, it’s creepy. “But my culture…” is never a Get Out Of Jail Free card to all criticism. The “creepiness” is merely your subjective feeling and as such only gets given as much weight as the feelings of those who see it as perfectly fine. You are right though, appealing to culture is not a “get out of jail free card” but I don’t think DrDeth was playing that card in that way, I could be wrong. They seemed to be speaking specifically about this practice. I’m freaked out by the thought of having open caskets or even seeing the dead body of a loved one , that’s my own subjective feeling though and not the problem of the culture that carries it out. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/739 "2023-08-30T12:43:36Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > No reason why it couldn’t be a success as a pretty straight remake of the original. Indeed, it’d be far more interesting to see that done. People who do the market research, and those of us who spend lots of time with children and their parents, are pretty sure that you are wrong, at least for definitions of “success” and “interesting” that include making multiple hundreds of millions or a billion plus in box office and merchandising revenues on top. In general big budget movies are formulaic. The money people have some evidence that the formula works and that which is new and untested is, by definition, a bigger risk. Kids big budget is an extreme case of this, both because the old trope is new if it is the first time you’ve seen it, and those kids who know the formula are enjoying that they can guess how it plays out. They watch over and over again. A remake of the rescued damsel in distress formula that worked back in history but that is very different than the formula that has been successfully used in female led kid movies of today might be “interesting” to a few. Who knows? The retro nostalgic anti-wokeness of it \*might \*bring on big bucks! But those with the money are not going to make that bet and neither would I. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/740 "2023-08-30T12:49:18Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > The things you mention are moral offenses and demonstrably harm people. So does violating consent, and child marriage. “Oh, but _he_ thought she was dead” isn’t really a defence here, either, any more than “But I thought she was saying No as a roleplay thing” or “she was into me before she passed out drunk” or any of the other excuses men make for consent violations. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > ad absurdum Yes, that’s exactly the rhetorical device I used. Well-spotted. I reserve absurdism for reacting to absurd arguments. > [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > What kind of treatment of dead bodies is acceptable and respectful vs. creepy is cultural. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > They do not compare well to the (fairly widespread) example of kissing a corpse. Except Snow White is not a corpse. Also, I don’t think “Doc” is a licenced ME. BUT The actual creepiness is that the people kissing a corpse at a funeral generally are very close relatives of said corpse. I know this, I’ve done it myself, to a mother, a grandmother, a close cousin. It’s part of _my_ culture. But I definitely wouldn’t do it to, say, my high school crush. That would be … creepy. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I don’t think DrDeth was playing that card in that way, I could be wrong. They seemed to be speaking specifically about this practice. “Never” is all-inclusive, it covers this case as well. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I’m freaked out by the thought of having open caskets or even seeing the dead body of a loved one , I’m not. I’m quite used to it. My brother and sister lay down next to my dead mother in her deathbed for 30 minutes, for instance. It’s not the mere act of kissing a dead body that’s the creepy thing here. It’s the stranger kissing the not-actually-dead only-just-teen girl he has no _actual_ relationship with. And yes, that means “True Love” as represented in this fairy tale _is_ a creepy concept in itself. Especially when applied to fully adult men and 14 year old girls. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/741 "2023-08-30T13:10:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, that’s exactly the rhetorical device I used. Well-spotted. I reserve absurdism for reacting to absurd arguments. OK, so you admit that the examples you gave were absurd. We agree. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Except Snow White is not a corpse That is what everyone believes at that point. > [@MrDibble](#): > > It’s not the mere act of kissing a dead body that’s the creepy thing here. I reject the concept that kissing a dead body is objectively creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/742 "2023-08-30T13:12:04Z")
Yeah, “You’re being a bad cultural relativist!” isn’t exactly a slam-dunk argument. Folks like me who find the kiss creepy and who think it teaches bad lessons to both boys and girls–those thoughts are inextricably linked with _our_ culture, one in which consent is an important value. If you’re a good cultural relativist, you’re not in a position to criticize our criticisms. Fortunately, I’m not a cultural relativist, and I never started applying that critical lens to this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/743 "2023-08-30T13:14:40Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > OK, so you admit that the examples you gave were absurd. In response to an absurd argument, yes. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > That is what everyone believes at that point. Not the audience. This wasn’t some _novel_ tale. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I reject the concept that kissing a dead body is objectively creepy. That’s not in disagreement with what I said. Maybe reread my post…I don’t think there’s anything objectively creepy about kissing dead bodies, or I wouldn’t have done it myself. Adult strangers kissing barely-acquainted barely-teen girls’ supposed corpses full on the lips, on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359/744 "2023-08-30T13:18:43Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > Except Snow White is not a corpse > > That is what everyone believes at that point. We had a [recent thread about “theory of mind”](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theory-of-mind-and-childrens-games/988936): “understanding other people do not have the same knowledge you do,” which is something that small children sometimes do not get. I wonder if that’s relevant here. We, the viewers, know that Snow White is not dead, but none of the characters in the movie knows this. (As far as I can remember. I might be wrong about either or both of these claims; or Snow White might actually be dead, and the kiss resurrects her—it’s been a long time since I’ve seen the film.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-dinklage-rips-disney-for-snow-white-remake-what-the-f-k-are-you-doing/958359.md?page=38)