# ...Peter Jackson on Weinstein: "they were a nightmare to work with" "avoid them at all costs" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 15, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594 "2017-12-15T23:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/41 "2017-12-17T14:49:58Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So what does that say about female stars who prospered during this era and who haven’t spoken out - anyone heard from, say, Nicole Kidman? They weren’t as directly affected?? **Bad Santa** director **Terry Zwigoff** has now stated that he would bring up Sorvino for the Lauren Graham role and Weinstein would hang up on him. I wonder if that can be litigatable? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/42 "2017-12-17T14:58:55Z")
Looking at Google and Kidman specifically , she hasn’t done a Miramax film since 2003 and spoke out in October: [Nicole Kidman - Miramax](https://www.miramax.com/profile/nicole-kidman/) ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/43 "2017-12-17T15:13:17Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So what does that say about female stars who prospered during this era and who haven’t spoken out Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/44 "2017-12-17T17:01:25Z")
How can that be when we now have very clear examples of women being effectively blacklisted for not playing with Harvey? ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/45 "2017-12-17T17:12:35Z")
Doesn’t mean he harassed every single female he worked with. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/46 "2017-12-17T18:24:07Z")
Are you trying to slut-shame Nichole Kidman? Even if some women did give in to him, that doesn’t make them any less victims. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/47 "2017-12-17T18:25:07Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > How can that be when we now have very clear examples of women being effectively blacklisted for not playing with Harvey? Dude, what’s your plan? Confront and shame Nicole Kidman or other top tier women for not speaking out? How’s that gonna work for you? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/48 "2017-12-17T18:40:46Z")
Work for me? Top tier women? Fwiw, I spoke about Kidman in post #42 - she hasn’t worked with Miramax for 14 years. This happened because victims chose not to speak out. This wasn’t child abuse it was adults, a lot of people made choices and a lot more people suffered as a result. That’s not to take the blame away from the perpetrator, but he would still be operating now - today - but for a heavily funded NYT investigation. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/49 "2017-12-17T20:59:49Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Work for me? Top tier women? > > Fwiw, I spoke about Kidman in post #42 - she hasn’t worked with Miramax for 14 years. > > This happened because victims chose not to speak out. This wasn’t child abuse it was adults, a lot of people made choices and a lot more people suffered as a result. > > That’s not to take the blame away from the perpetrator, but he would still be operating now - today - but for a heavily funded NYT investigation. You’re right. Women who didn’t speak up suck. 😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/50 "2017-12-17T22:02:45Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > This happened because victims chose not to speak out. …we’ve had this conversation before. Its amazing you’ve completely forgotten everything you’ve been told and you’ve gone back to the same victim-blaming-nonsense that you came out with last time. People came out before the NYT story. They not only were not believed: they were attacked and their careers damaged or destroyed. You’ve been told this. There were investigations by the police. Audio tapes were made where Weinstein admitted guilt and the DA decided not to prosecute. Victims **did speak out**. This did not happen because victims chose “not to speak out”. This happened because Weinstein is an evil piece of shit who harassed, abused and assaulted women then did everything in his power to silence them when he was done. He had the power to destroy careers and the power to destroy lives and this thread shows exactly how he did it. Mira Sorvino had an inkling that maybe something was going on: but it wasn’t until Peter Jackson spoke out that she actually knew what Weinstein and his enablers were doing. And they didn’t just fear for their careers, they feared for their lives. Annabella Sciorra slept with a baseball bat next to her bed for 20 years because of what Weinstein did to her. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/51 "2017-12-17T23:24:03Z")
I’ve been listening through the _Rialto Report_ podcast series about the New York porn scene in the Seventies, and one thing surprising thing keeps coming up over and over - that the casting couch was only a thing in “legitimate” theater and films, that nobody had to have sex with anyone to get a job where they would actually be having sex on screen. Hyapatia Lee went to New York trying to make it on Broadway with a bundle of rave reviews and references from local and regional theater from her hometown of Indianapolis like any other hopeful, and kept getting told there was no way she could get a job or an agent unless she was willing to have sex with them. Porn directors and agents, on the other hand, were total professionals to her. She figured if she was going to have to fuck to act, she was damn well going to be paid for it. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/52 "2017-12-17T23:30:01Z")
Elaine May directed the biggest flop in film history up to that point, _Ishtar_, and never directed again. Rennie Harlan directed an even bigger flop, \* Cutthroat Island\* – a film that led to the demise of an entire studio. He was back directing the next year (it flopped, too). If you assume he got that gig before the flop, he was back again three years later. Michael Cimino was back directing 5 years after \* Heaven’s Gate\* Robert Altman directed many films that lost money or just broke even. He kept getting work because he had a big hit with _MASH._ One flop by a woman director and her career is over. But a male director, even with bigger flops, gets a second chance. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/53 "2017-12-17T23:45:01Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …we’ve had this conversation before. Its amazing you’ve completely forgotten everything you’ve been told and you’ve gone back to the same victim-blaming-nonsense that you came out with last time. People came out before the NYT story. They not only were not believed: they were attacked and their careers damaged or destroyed. You’ve been told this. There were investigations by the police. Audio tapes were made where Weinstein admitted guilt and the DA decided not to prosecute. Victims **did speak out**. > > This did not happen because victims chose “not to speak out”. This happened because Weinstein is an evil piece of shit who harassed, abused and assaulted women then did everything in his power to silence them when he was done. He had the power to destroy careers and the power to destroy lives and this thread shows exactly how he did it. Mira Sorvino had an inkling that maybe something was going on: but it wasn’t until Peter Jackson spoke out that she actually knew what Weinstein and his enablers were doing. And they didn’t just fear for their careers, they feared for their lives. Annabella Sciorra slept with a baseball bat next to her bed for 20 years because of what Weinstein did to her. Peter Jackson probably didn’t feel safe speaking out until now. This Weinstein must have been the Kim Jong Zero of Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/54 "2017-12-18T00:00:22Z")
Is there any chance any of this women can sue Weinstein or Miramax for monetary damages as a result of being black balled? ---
**Author:** ![ssgenius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@ssgenius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssgenius)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/55 "2017-12-18T00:54:08Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > If you view getting people to do their jobs as a _conquest_, I guess. But if you do view a manager or director’s job that way, I wouldn’t want to work for you. > > I’ve recently read some articles about how there’s indications that involving women in peace negotiations leads to longer-lasting, more solid agreements. There are things we’re more likely to take into account than men; we’re also less prone to zero-sum views. > > My best managers never threatened me/us. There were warnings, sometimes. “We have to do X by Z date - if it’s not ready the project will suffer, there will be [these] consequences.” But those warnings were always followed by a search for solutions, with people proposing ideas and everybody actually listening. > > My worst managers, whether male or female, did view work as a _conquest_. To them, it is not important for the team to do our best possible job; what is important is that nobody must give an idea that’s better than their own proposal. What is important is bullying people. They’d hear on Monday that you were called to put out a fire over the weekend and their reaction would be “don’t expect compensation”; “what do you want, a pat on the back?”. They point and laugh when people are uncomfortable, and make a note of what was it that made them uncomfortable so they can use it against them. If that’s what you (whichever you is reading this) think a manager should be like, may you and I never find ourselves in the same team, because you have no idea what a team is. I have worked with many managers like that and yes I at some point I have made every mistake that I have listed and in the right circumstance, putting someone on the towards the edge of their comfort zone can work wonders. When I was training people, I would train them to deal with the worst case scenario so it was much easier for the normal day to day routine Obviously, it is better to learn from the mistakes of other people but real life experience is the often the best teacher.😃 Thanks for the input ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594/56 "2017-12-18T03:25:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Peter Jackson probably didn’t feel safe speaking out until now. Peter Jackson didn’t have any reason to doubt Weinstein until recently. From his [rebuttal](https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/99944254/Sir-Peter-Jackson-hits-back-at-Weinstein-calling-his-denial-insincere) today to Weinstein’s defensive comments: \*“because we had been warned off Ashley and Mira by Miramax, and we were naive enough to assume we’d been told the truth, Fran and I did not raise their names in New Line casting conversations”. As to why he has only come forward now, Jackson said he was prompted by reading about the sexual misconduct allegations being made against Harvey Weinstein and comments by both Sorvino and Judd, who felt they had been blacklisted by Miramax after rejecting Harvey’s sexual advances.\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peter-jackson-on-weinstein-they-were-a-nightmare-to-work-with-avoid-them-at-all-costs/804594.md?page=2)