Petition: Move NASCAR

If Nascar is such a low ratings type of deal, then why is Fox paying $2.4 billion over the next 6 years for television rights (figure quoted from The Kansas City Star and http://www.jayski.com)

Most folks who don’t like racin’ cannot appreciate how much knowledge, teamwork and preparation is needed to be competitive in Nascar. At this last weekends race in Homestead FL. the speed from 1st through 20th in qualifying had only a 1.589mph difference, and the lap time was less than a second different.

Also as far as seating goes, the smallest track that the Winston Cup cars race at is in Bristol TN and has a seating capacity of 135,000. This track sold out both races this year. If you would like to see my source for this go to
http://www.nascar.com/tracks/bristol/index.html
OK, I’m jumping around alot here but it really irritates me when little snotty butwipes want to get a condescending attitude and just assume that anyone who like Nascar is an ignorant bubba from some trailer park. Get a clue grab a wrench and have some fun. Oh by the way football fans if Nascar isn’t such a big deal then why is Joe Gibbs (you know who he is)the 2000 Nascar Champions car owner. Later…

I like NASCAR, CART, IRL, most SCCA events, The Pikes Peak Hill Climb etc…that said I also have been the Secretary to the Board of the local chapter of SCCA, Continental Divide Region in the late 80s. I am a race fan of all kinds of racing.

I also like football, hockey and watching baseball in person.

On the fluffier side of things I also like ice skating and ballroom dancing, yes there is heated competition in ballroom dancing but the Salsa dances are my favorite.

I for one see no reason to poopoo another person’s sport. I hate basketball but you don’t see me asking that basketball be deported.

Yes, auto racing does require physical strength (G forces at work here) quick thinking in a tough situation and there is a team involved. The pit crews are highly trained to get the job done right in a quick amount of time.

So as far as the OP is concerned, nope leave NASCAR alone.

I entirely agree that NASCAR is likely the fastest-growing sport, and I also find it reasonable to guess thats the root of the confusion.

I never said it was low ratings type deal, but compared to the big boys its not huge. $2.4 billion isn’t a massive deal by sports coverage standards. Regardless, off to Guatamala with them!

Perhaps the hatred might have something to do with the fact that the abforementioned skills, teamwork, endurance, etc, that go into a race are invisible to your average channel surfer. If I flip to a Nascar race, I just see a bunch of cars going fast - but you can’t even judge how fast they’re going on TV because all the other cars are going just as fast - and turning left for 500 miles.

I’d really rather watch golf. At least there’s pretty scenery and the players keep the advertisements discreet, unlike Nascar where walking billboards get into billboards on wheels and display a constant stream of 200 mph advertisements for three hours. After they’re done with all of that strenuous work, they still have the energy to go out and appear on virtually every convenience store fountain soda cup in the known universe. I get soooo sick of looking at those creepy f*ckers on my cups! I don’t know about you, but I’d be very hesitant in leaving a child alone with Kyle Petty for more than five minutes if you catch my drift. shudder

There’s a reason for the advertisements plastered everywhere. Of course, everyone’s sick of it – fans are annoyed at the overcommercialization that drives up memorabilia costs because you have to pay for the licensing fees; drivers are sick of having to constantly watch themselves and not having the freedom to be themselves because they have to keep the sponsors happy; the teams are probably sick of having to pander around on tiptoe for the businessmen. But, it’s a practical necessity. Unlike other sports, where you can run a team on a shoestring budget, a shoestring budget in NASCAR is at least $50,000 a year – and that’s if you get charity help from someone like Dave Marcis does from Dale Earnhardt. Topline teams like Jeff Gordon’s, Dale Earnhardt’s and the Joe Gibbs setup can have outlying costs of several million (sorry, I can’t recall the exact figure). Think about it:

To operate a baseball team, you need nine guys, a field, some bats, some baseballs, uniforms of some kind, and gloves.

To operate a race team, you need a driver, a pit crew, a garage, and a car. Preferably two, in case you crash one.

Cars are expensive, folks.

NASCAR, like any sport, is as much a business as an entertainment form. The teams don’t want to be running in the red every year. The owners are rich, but they’re not LIMITLESSLY so. In order to make a profit, or just to break even (which is increasingly hard these days, which is why many of the smaller teams are going under), you need to get money from an outside source. They turn to sponsors, which is really the only thing to do. Even if you ended today’s biggest financial problem, which is the fact that the larger teams have more money and thus can afford better equipment and more cars and thus have more R&D time (due to NASCAR’s testing rules), by mandating the same equipment and minimal adjustments the way the dirt-tracking IMCA cars do, you would STILL need sponsorship, because any way you splice it cars are expensive.
Just because you, personally, do not care for NASCAR is no reason to insult others who do or to insist upon its being banned. Choice of sport is not nearly as much of a mark of character as wanton prejudice against others based on their choice of sport is. (In case that wasn’t clear – if you say all NASCAR fans are losers/rednecks/hicks/etc just because they are NASCAR fans, you’re not putting down the NASCAR fans as much as you are proving yourself to be not a nice person.) Your personal choice should be just that – your personal choice. Insisting upon forcing your personal choice upon others is an abuse of freedom by infringing on others’ rights to choose their entertainment.

And to those of you who have complained about watching NASCAR or other forms of auto racing: CHANGE THE CHANNEL.

Amen racinchikki!!

:smiley:

A note to soccer fans: you can’t fake a Darlington stripe.

That having been said, I much prefer Formula One.

…and a hell of a lot of very expensive tires. Like maybe 20 or more per race at ~$500 per tire.

And you can’t stuff a turkey through a straw, by cracky.

What the hell does that even mean?

I started following NASCAR about 6 years ago and I think its pretty exciting. I watch it every Sunday all summer, until Football starts, and even then I check it out during the commercials. I really can’t explain its draw, I think like anything, if you follow something long enough, it just kind of grows on you. Sort of like a fungus, and football is my cure.

I am not denigrating the sport of auto racing. I have no problem admitting that much intellect, thought, strategy, and athleticism goes into racing.

Every sport is fun to DO! In this I include everything from caber toss to curling to auto racing to badminton to football to baseball.

However, not every sport is fun to WATCH. It is the practice of watching auto racing that am denigrating. If you go to a large oval track, the cars are going to spend a lot of time more than 1/2 mile away from you. You can’t really see what is happening the pits (where many races are won or lost) and you can’t even see the competitor. If you are on a non-oval track (don’t know the proper name for that) you will not even be able to see the cars for much of the time.

I have been to two auto races, one of them I was in the pit (father of a high school friend was part of a pit crew) and just found it interminably boring. Watching people do and talk about their jobs was very interesting, but there just isn’t enough of that during a race (at least for the observer) to make it interesting.

Excuse me? We’re talking about professional sports here.

Racing is dirt fucking cheap compared to the start up costs of every other major sport.

Sure, me and 10 friends can get a football game together for about $500 a head after buying pads, but that isn’t exactly a professional team any more than me and my 88 Mustang LX driving fast around the block is NASCAR.

A football team costs between $50-100 million a year in player salary alone. Nevermind the $750 million franchise fee and the $750 million stadium. Racing ain’t cheap, but not having to buy your own stadiums makes it realistic for anyone with some seed money to give it a run. Advertising is a ugly aspect of the sport.

I have to disagree with this to some extent. While all these parties may complain about it in private, they don’t seem live their lives that way. Fans routinely change their product allegiences when their favorite driver gets a new sponsor, and I’ve had nothing but good experiences when talking to drivers and teams about their sponsors. It’s always seemed to me that they were actually greatful for their sponsors and realized that that was the source of their incomes (unlike, say, oh, about every other sport in the world. (Everyone has heard, I assume, the old saw about the retired NASCAR driver who dies of old age – at his eulogy his widow thanks the Lowes/Exxon/Chevrolet team, compliments the Goodyear tires, thanks the McDonalds/IBM pit crew, etc.)

I’ve been on all kinds of sports junkets. If I had a product to promote, my first choice for sports promotion would be NASCAR, followed by the LPGA. Those two organizations just seem to appreciate the sponsorship more.

And have you priced a professional ball player lately? That 50K won’t even get a good NCAA senior to the draft table. Are you saying that drivers and crews cost money and pitchers and shortstops don’t? How about the fact that ball teams usually own their own stadia (with civic assistance usually) and NASCAR drives on privately owned tracks? Does Earnhart ever have the home field advantage on the track he owns? Face it, NASCAR fans, it’s a minor league sport and probably always will be, mainly due to limitations in the marketability. There’s no home-team, the venues rotate, and despite the rants, it’s got a redneck reputation. When they can come up with a way to have major, point-status races at Darlington almost every weekend, and at most of the other major tracks as well, then you might have something.

Sez you. (and most northerners). From a SEC filing of one of the track owners:

That’s of the 9.3 MM people who actually schlepped out to a Winston Cup, Busch or Craftsman Truck Series race last year.

What, because I don’t think NASCAR’s a major sport then I’m a yankee? Grew up less than 3 hours from Texas motor speedway and I live in South Cakalaky now. I’ve been north of the Mason-Dixon twice in my life. And what do your admittedly biased numbers have to do with my statement? I merely said it had a reputation–I did not claim anything as a fact. If Donald Trump watches wrasslin’, that doesn’t give it any less of a reputation of redneckness.

Please, people, read before your knee jerks!

Actually, I think it has relatively little to do with the total number of viewers, and much, much more to do with the fact that the average NASCAR fan will buy the products of a company that sponsors racing teams.

I think the network probably has hopes that they will be able to recoup their expenses by charging the advertisers more than they would for another show that garnered equal ratings. The stronger brand loyalty would be a selling point, convincing the advertisers that they could count on more sales via the advertising than they would otherwise.

Ummm, not to be a pedantic pain in the ass, although it’s quite appropriate in my case, but that’s not even close to what most baseball teams spend.
The most recent cite I found for the cost of running a full time Winston Cup racing team was from a discussion on the cost of sponsorship at the Dallas Morning News:

If you take that as the baseline, you’ll see that most Major League baseball teams spend several times as much as the NASCAR teams. The Yankees had a payroll that was almost 10 times as much last year:

The Minnesota Twins, on the other hand were the ‘shoestring’ operation of the League:

And that’s just the payroll, which is, admittedly, the largest part of the expenses for a MLB team. Even if you increase the amount the most successful teams spend by 50%, you only barely equal what the cheapest team in the league pays for payroll.

  1. That $50k I mentioned earlier? That buys the car, sans tranny and engine. The only reason Dave Marcis can operate on that is because he has volunteer crew, his own garage (literally, GARAGE), and engines from Dale Earnhardt Inc. Any team that actually intends to finish well will have three or four cars (some have, like, ten), engines for all of them and possibly backups, a real shop, crew for the shop, a transporter (that alone can cost better than $200,000), specially-trained pit crew for the track, the tires, the various parts, and a teammate (so multiply the whole thing by 2).

  2. How do baseball teams make money? Ticket sales. Because they OWN the stadium. How do NASCAR teams make money? Finishing. Depending on the race and the finish, they might not even get their entry fee back. It’s a lot easier to make the money to pay for shit back in baseball than it is in racing. It helps – a LOT – to have the sponsors.
    Ok, folks, I have YET to see any legitimate reason NASCAR should be banned or otherwise moved. Plenty of reasons not to like NASCAR, but again I say, if you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch it. Nobody’s duct-taping you to a chair with your eyes glued open and forcing you to watch the Dura-Lube 500 or anything like that. I personally hate basketball. I’m not saying it should be moved to Guatemala or even Chile.

In a land where synchronized swimming and water polo thrives, I too can see no reason for NASCAR to be banned. However, as long as I own a TV it shall be ignored.
I like football, and I freely admit it’s mostly because I buy the hype they force down my throat on a weekly basis. I can stand baseball, but I don’t follow it religiously. I fall asleep everytime I try to watch a game. I like hockey, but the coverage isn’t too extensive without cable TV. I cannot live without soccer, playing it or watching it. Just so you know, when I am king, soccer will be the national/mandatory sport.

All those sports rely on a fair amount of flowing testosterone. But at least it’s evident. Big sweating, burly, athletic guys and/or gals displaying their talents. The only thing that comes to mind when I think of NASCAR is Skeeter and Goober sitting around in their greasy coveralls, swilling Billy Beer, talking about their guns, their “trannies” (which by the way has a completely different meaning out here in SF) and which super models they’d like to plook, as if they’d ever have the chance.

It’s all in the perception.

Hmmmph. Read yourself. If I though you were a northerner, I would have added parenthetically “(and most other northerners)”. I was drawing a distinction.

My point in quoting the survey is that is the kind of information that sponsors/advertisers rely upon before making their promotion decisions. The sponsor base has grown rapidly over the past several years (it used to be almost all auto/alcohol/tobacco) precisely because sponsors are becoming increasingly convinced that it is not a redneck sport. Even if many people “play redneck for the day” when they go out to the track, a phenonemon I freely admit occurs.

I guess I’m just saying that your view of the sport is five years old.