# Pew Poll: 44 Percent of Liberal Democrats Say Churches Bad for America **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 1, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699 "2017-10-01T03:05:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/221 "2017-10-07T19:02:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Muslims taking over? All I saw was a video of a group of Christians acting like assholes. Reminiscent of Orangemen marching through Catholic neighbourhoods in Northern Ireland, which thankfully they are forbidden to do now. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/222 "2017-10-07T23:37:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Muslims currently constitute about 1% of the population of the US. For them to “take over” (which we’ll assume requires, at minimum, that they represent 50.1% of the population) by 2037, each Muslim currently living in America would need to have somewhere around ten children. > > Every year. > > For 20 years. > > That’s not what I’d describe as a rational concern. I was talking Europe. Not the US. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/223 "2017-10-07T23:38:25Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I think Elvis has left the building. The OP’s not been around since Sunday. Well I have been pretty busy and had no time to reply for awhile. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/224 "2017-10-07T23:43:43Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Muslims taking over? All I saw was a video of a group of Christians acting like assholes. How about [THIS.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukEnAQ_ebE) Muslim patrols in London. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/225 "2017-10-07T23:46:51Z")
[HERE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjcpKY0hpo) is a video explaining Muslim no go zones in Sweden where police have to escort ambulances to protect them. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/226 "2017-10-07T23:58:06Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > You just got through explaining that we’ve gotten really good at turning away from a religion that we have no use for. So, walk me through this: you think we’ll _forget_ how to do that, over the next 20 years? We did it once, and then vowed to never again use this forbidden technique or mention it to our children? No, what I’m saying is you turned your back on Christianity and turned to atheism and humanism. You are so into this concept that we should all treat each other with the same respect. Problem with that is what to do if the other side has different ideas? Now with Christians we for the most part are content with letting you go. That’s your free choice. The difference is Muslims wont give you that option. Its like if you live in say Iran or Saudi Arabia you MUST obey Muslim law. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/227 "2017-10-08T00:02:10Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > How about [THIS.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukEnAQ_ebE) Muslim patrols in London. Did you actually watch the video? These patrols were condemned by local Imams and arrests were made by police for harassment. These are nothing more than vigilantes and are not supported by the Muslim community. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > [HERE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjcpKY0hpo) is a video explaining Muslim no go zones in Sweden where police have to escort ambulances to protect them. [Debunking your bulleshit](http://www.snopes.com/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/228 "2017-10-08T00:04:06Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, what I’m saying is you turned your back on Christianity and turned to atheism and humanism. You are so into this concept that we should all treat each other with the same respect. Problem with that is what to do if the other side has different ideas? > > **Now with Christians we for the most part are content with letting you go. That’s your free choice.** > > The difference is Muslims wont give you that option. Its like if you live in say Iran or Saudi Arabia you MUST obey Muslim law. Bullshit. Read about [Dominionism.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology) The drive to ban abortion is based on religion. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/229 "2017-10-08T00:06:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well I have been pretty busy and had no time to reply for awhile. Sorry about that. Sooooo…is that misunderstanding what he meant by OP, or is it slipping and admitting Bruiser1036 to be a sock of yours? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/230 "2017-10-08T01:13:20Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, what I’m saying is you turned your back on Christianity and turned to atheism and humanism. You are so into this concept that we should all treat each other with the same respect. Problem with that is what to do if the other side has different ideas? > > Now with Christians we for the most part are content with letting you go. That’s your free choice. > > The difference is Muslims wont give you that option. Its like if you live in say Iran or Saudi Arabia you MUST obey Muslim law. I’m not sure I follow. I’ve never had any use for Christianity, and I also don’t want Muslims to, ah, take over; do you think I’d be better at stopping Muslims from taking over if I had some use for Christianity? Is _that_ why you’re mentioning one before saying I now have to deal with the other? How do you figure that’d work, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/231 "2017-10-08T03:16:40Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Now with Christians we for the most part are content with letting you go. That’s your free choice. You have no sense of history, do you? Christians content on letting others go? Only after they lost power. I’m Jewish - tell me again about how the Spanish Inquisition let us go? Or forced conversion? Or expulsion from various countries? Or pogroms. Or how about the countless religious wars. Or how when Mary Tudor was queen the Protestants were oppressed and when Elizabeth was queen the Catholics were repressed. Like priests coming into evangelize getting their heads mounted on posts by the Thames. Christianity (and Islam) spread by forced conversion, of course. Try reading an honest history of your awful religion, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/232 "2017-10-08T03:41:51Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, what I’m saying is you turned your back on Christianity and turned to atheism and humanism. You are so into this concept that we should all treat each other with the same respect. Problem with that is what to do if the other side has different ideas? Wait, are you against atheism, or Christianity? Because the behavior you describe is what Jesus advocated. I concede that precious few Christians live up to it. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/233 "2017-10-08T05:05:35Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I think Elvis has left the building. The OP’s not been around since Sunday. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well I have been pretty busy and had no time to reply for awhile. Sorry about that. What the …? You’re not the OP. Surely you would not have a sock account. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/234 "2017-10-08T05:52:01Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well I have been pretty busy and had no time to reply for awhile. Sorry about that. Actually, we were talking to Bruiser1036. You know, the person that started the thread. When you see him, please have him respond. Edit: Er, or what several other people already posted. Would you like to try and explain yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/235 "2017-10-08T06:31:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I was talking Europe. Not the US. Well then I repeat my question. How is this supposed to work? Let’s take Germany as an example. Germany currently has a Muslim population of less than 10%. It also has one of the strongest constitutions in the western world. Can you detail how Muslims would “take over” Germany? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/236 "2017-10-08T06:34:25Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Well then I repeat my question. How is this supposed to work? Let’s take Germany as an example. Germany currently has a Muslim population of less than 10%. It also has one of the strongest constitutions in the western world. Can you detail how Muslims would “take over” Germany? There’s Underpants Gnome logic somewhere in there, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/237 "2017-10-08T08:05:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > While I have various issues with Sadiq Khan his religion isn’t one of them, particularly as it has very little to do with the way in which he is doing his job. We are not all living under Sharia law, he hasn’t demanded that all women wear burkas and one can still purchase decent pulled pork at some local restaurants. Decent pulled pork? In _London_? Saints preserve us! ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/238 "2017-10-08T12:56:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > There’s Underpants Gnome logic somewhere in there, I’m sure. Phase 1. Enter western European country as refugees Phase 2. ? Phase 3. Prophet! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699/239 "2017-10-08T13:57:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Well then I repeat my question. How is this supposed to work? Let’s take Germany as an example. Germany currently has a Muslim population of less than 10%. It also has one of the strongest constitutions in the western world. Can you detail how Muslims would “take over” Germany? You know how the gays have taken over by having such great sex that all the straights were naturally seduced into their lifestyle? I think it’s gonna work the same way: the Muslim religion is so self-evidently superior to Christianity that all the Christians are gonna convert of their own free will. That’s the only thing that makes sense. ---
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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You know how the gays have taken over by having such great sex that all the straights were naturally seduced into their lifestyle? I think it’s gonna work the same way: the Muslim religion is so self-evidently superior to Christianity that all the Christians are gonna convert of their own free will. > > That’s the only thing that makes sense. Eh, in fairness, there is something to be said for differing birth rates, but it’s still a hell of a stretch to go from “Muslim immigrants and refugees have more children” to “therefore Germany will be the next caliphate”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pew-poll-44-percent-of-liberal-democrats-say-churches-bad-for-america/797699.md?page=13)