# Pharmacist refuses to fill prescription for abortion pill on moral grounds **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515 "2004-02-04T17:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/241 "2004-02-12T21:06:04Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > It is precisely because of this tree that when I see you cite [RAPTUREREADY.COM](http://RAPTUREREADY.COM) as “most christians” I go bonkers. And what of my cites to the Catholic Church and other of the largest demoninations (including the largest) in the U.S.? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/242 "2004-02-12T21:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > I AM NOT ONE OF THEM, nor is my family or the non-denominational church to which we belong. I never said you were–from the gitgo, I acknowledged the existence of reasonable Christians (for a certain value of “reasonable”) > [@](#): > > What i have in common with those people is ONE thing. I believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. From there, Christians branch off into a giant, trillion limbed tree. > > It is precisely because of this tree that when I see you cite [RAPTUREREADY.COM](http://RAPTUREREADY.COM) as “most christians” I go bonkers. But they ARE “most Christians”–at least here in the US. Did you not read **Homebrew’s** cites? Damn, woman, do you need it spelled out any clearer exactly how hostile the major denominations are to me and mine? > [@](#): > > But if it makes you feel better to think that I’m working against you via my faith, go ahead. I’ve typed “we’re not all like that” more times than I can count on this board. Never said it, so why you attribute that to me is mystifying. You’re a good woman, but you and your church are not in the majority. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/243 "2004-02-12T21:17:36Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > And what of my cites to the Catholic Church and other of the largest demoninations (including the largest) in the U.S.? What of them? I’m not a Catholic and I go to a non-denominational church. I just said I have nothing in common with those people, so I wish not to be lumped in with those who “lack independent thought”. gobear, you acknowledged the presence of reasonable christians, but then went on to say that we don’t believe there are non-reasonable ones. > [@gobear](#): > > But the other folks here are good, decent people **fooling themselves that every Christian is as kind and as reasonable as they are** ; that somehow there are no yahoo Christians, that there are no fundies trying to force a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, no Christian groups attempt to force legislation to madate creationism in schools, that no Christian group of any size opposes these things, and that any demonstrations to the contrary must be the work of a few lone individuals. That is my beef. If I believed everyone was like me, I wouldn’t think twice about your post. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/244 "2004-02-12T21:37:48Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > It’s a matter of numbers, the yahoos outnumber the reasonable Christians. Notice how the Episcopal church suffered a schism over the appointment of a gay bishop? And that’s the moderate wing of American Christianity–the further right one goes, the more the pendulum swings away from reason and towards unreasoning hate. > > I’m under no illusions that the great majority of Christians wwant peace and amity with gay folks or that they would fellowship with gay people. Sure, somne Dopers belong to gay-friendly congregations, but that’s a tiny minority in the body of Christ. Oooh! Is this where you trot out your bogus piece of evidence where the majority of fundamental Christians polled are anti-gay, and you claim that means that the majority of all Christians are anti-gay? I love that one. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/245 "2004-02-12T21:42:23Z")
:: blows whistle :: Time out! Please, please, Christian and non-Christian supporters of reason, science, and compassion – can we stop the internecine warfare and turn the passion and fury upon the targets that deserve it? The dogmatists who elevate an abstract doctrine over the reality of human suffering before them in the flesh – those are the people to flay. I’m an atheist; I believe a large chunk of the Christian population in this country is narrow-minded and judgmental to the point of outright bigotry (check out what’s happening in Massachusetts over gay marriage, for example); but there are also goodly numbers of Christians who carry Christ’s message of love into their daily lives in a way that embraces rather than repulses those who differ from them. We need to stop fighting over who’s more open-minded and unite against the folks whose minds are nailed shut, people! [sigh] Can’t we all just get along? :: runs for cover :: ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/246 "2004-02-12T21:43:59Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > And what of my cites to the Catholic Church and other of the largest demoninations (including the largest) in the U.S.? Not to sound condescending, but you didn’t make any links to the Catholic Church (not that I doubt what they’ll say). ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/247 "2004-02-12T21:49:19Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Oooh! Is this where you trot out your bogus piece of evidence where the majority of fundamental Christians polled are anti-gay, and you claim that means that the majority of all Christians are anti-gay? I love that one. What if we phrase the sentiment a little differently? For example, I will fully admit that I have not spoken with every single Christian on the planet, not have I administered an opinion poll that will allow me to tabulate where the majority of Christians stand. Therefore, I will conclude that it is not factually accurate for me to say “most Christians do/feel X”. However, I will say that every single time that I have become aware of a vocal group attempting to stop social progress in areas that are very important to me, they have been Christians. From this I can conclude that if person X has extremist and regressive views, there is a high probability that he will be Christian. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/248 "2004-02-12T21:51:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Since Polycarp, tomndebb, Jodi, Bricker, myself and dozens/hundreds of other Christian dopers “buy into that mythology” I assume you think that we are ALL “incapable of independent thinking”. right? And add Zev and other believing doper Jews to the list as well. (I’m not as familiar with followers of other faiths…but add them as well) > > Do we have you on the record as saying that all of the above dopers are incapable of independent thought? To the degree that you unquestioningly swallow mythology and legends as reality, then yes. I see no reason to give religion any more respect than we give astrology or the reading of tea leaves. We know that the Biblical accounts of creation are not true, that, the figures and events described in much of the Bible didn’t exist, and that the mind is the product of the brain, not some immanent _nous_ that lives separately from and survives the death of the body. Clearly, **Polycarp** , who thinks some kid on the Web is the Second Coming, has shown that even the most sensible people can fall prey to delusions, because they have been primed to gullibility by religion. If, on the other hand, you view Christianity as more of an ethical system that teaches love and compassion and gives meaning and depth to your life, then no. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Jarbabyj_ > That is my beef. If I believed everyone was like me, I wouldn’t think twice about your post. If you agree that my comments did not include you, and you agree that you are outnumbered by the intolerant Christians, then we have no reason to argue. _Originally posted by Munch_ Oooh! Is this where you trot out your bogus piece of evidence where the majority of fundamental Christians polled are anti-gay, and you claim that means that the majority of all Christians are anti-gay? I love that one. [/quote] \*_Homebrew_ already provided you some pretty damning cites. Try to argue that they don’t mean what they say–I love that one. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/249 "2004-02-12T22:49:38Z")
I asked…“Do we have you on the record as saying that all of the above dopers are incapable of independent thought?” gobear said… > [@gobear](#): > > To the degree that you unquestioningly swallow mythology and legends as reality, then yes. Nice tap dancing…of course I never said anything about “unquestioning faith”…most if not all folks who have theistic beliefs, question or examine them over time. But again, you said earlier > [@](#): > > **Hey, if those folks were capable of independent thinking in the first place, they wouldn’t buy into that pernicious mythology. .** …and the fact of the matter is that all of those posters…and billions more from Einstein to most U.S. presidents and world leaders…most corporate leaders…most of the population has theistic beliefs. And ALL of them, from Einstein to Gandhi to the vast majority of the worlds leaders are ALL… …wait for it… … **incapable of independent thinking**. Wow. Good thing we have gobear and the fellow atheists around to rescue our theistic asses from ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/250 "2004-02-12T23:14:17Z")
**Gobear** , you know I have a rather high opinion of you, and it was a pleasure meeting you last fall. On the other hand, I do _not_ believe that the likes of [RaptureReady.com](http://RaptureReady.com), etc. are in the majority when it comes to Christian belief. Indeed, even though I am a lifelong Christian, I didn’t even hear of Rapture theology until I became an adult. I get the impression they’re about as typical of Christianity in the United States as the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are of homosexuals. Even if they have snuck into the majority while my back was turned, I’ll point out to you that Rapture theology’s pretty much unheard of outside the U.S. Certainly every Episcopal priest I’ve asked about it considers it, bluntly, nuts. You’ve seen my song and dance on why becoming an Atheist is not a viable option for me – better a delusion which sustains my life (Christianity) than one which might end it (my own worthlessness, caused by depression and other factors). I also figure I can do a lot more to change my religion’s attitudes by working within it, including smiting back, Bible verse for Bible verse. Lad, you know I don’t blame you for being angry, for being bloody furious at times. Hell, one reason I left a Christian message board is because I got so angry I broke a chair one morning! That doesn’t give either of us the right to tar all Christians with the brush of bigotry. Please, reconsider? CJ ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/251 "2004-02-12T23:16:37Z")
[quote] …and the fact of the matter is that all of those posters…and billions more from Einstein to most U.S. presidents and world leaders…most corporate leaders…most of the population has theistic beliefs. And ALL of them, from Einstein to Gandhi to the vast majority of the worlds leaders are ALL… …wait for it… …incapable of independent thinking. Wow. Good thing we have gobear and the fellow atheists around to rescue our theistic asses from ourselves. [quote] First, Einstein was an atheist; all that talk about “God doesn’t play dice” is just rhetoric tailored for public consumption. Second, the argument from popularity is a fallacy; the number of people who subscribe to a belief has no relevance to its merits. Moreover, all those people you cite have wildly conflicting conceptions of deity–is there one god or many gods? Does He have a wife and a son? Is he the chief god of a pantheon or doing a solo act? It doesn’t support your case that every relgion disagrees with every other religion. Can I conclusively demonstrate there is no God? No, but neither can I conclusively demonstrate there are no elves, unicorns, vampires, apsaras, kobollds, brownies, angels, devils, werewolves, ghosts, or any number of other supernatural entities. Doesn’t mean they exist. Tell you what–read **The Bible Unearthed** , by Israel Finkelstein and Neal Asher Silberman–we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2004, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/252 "2004-02-12T23:31:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Feel free to ignore this. Again. > > Regards, > Shodan Just jumping in to see if any of those against MAP have stated their beliefs that the birth control pill assists in abortion? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/253 "2004-02-13T01:10:14Z")
> [@](#): > > First, Einstein was an atheist; all that talk about “God doesn’t play dice” is just rhetoric tailored for public consumption. [Simplistic](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691006997/002-6995262-9584808?v=glance) description of Einsteins relationship with religion. …“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” > [@](#): > > Second, the argument from popularity is a fallacy; the number of people who subscribe to a belief has no relevance to its merits. Moreover, all those people you cite have wildly conflicting conceptions of deity–is there one god or many gods? Does He have a wife and a son? Is he the chief god of a pantheon or doing a solo act? It doesn’t support your case that every relgion disagrees with every other religion. Well I wasn’t MAKING the argument that popularity=truth. I WAS wondering if you **really** think that all of the people who believe in a God “lack the ability to independently think”. An “inability to independently think” seems pretty equivalent to “not too bright”… You don’t think Bricker is very bright? Or Jodi? Or tomndebb? Or RTFirefly? None of them can think for themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/254 "2004-02-13T01:12:52Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > But the other folks here are good, decent people fooling themselves that every Christian is as kind and as reasonable as they are; that somehow there are no yahoo Christians, that there are no fundies trying to force a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, no Christian groups attempt to force legislation to madate creationism in schools, that no Christian group of any size opposes these things, and that any demonstrations to the contrary must be the work of a few lone individuals. Been buying up shares of a straw company, have you? No one, least of all me, claimed that there are “no yahoo Christians” or that there are no Christian groups that support the sorts of things you describe. Indeed, I’d be pretty foolish to suggest such a thing – these people do exist, as evidenced by the websites you noted. What I _did_ suggest is that your assertion that these types are somehow representative of mainstream Christianity as a whole is stupid and asinine. Yes, there are fundamentalist whacko Christians. They are as representative of the Christian faith as fundamentalist whacko Muslims who think crashing planes into buildings is a positive step for Islam worldwide. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/255 "2004-02-13T01:23:35Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > Been buying up shares of a straw company, have you? > > No one, least of all me, claimed that there are “no yahoo Christians” or that there are no Christian groups that support the sorts of things you describe. Indeed, I’d be pretty foolish to suggest such a thing – these people do exist, as evidenced by the websites you noted. > > What I _did_ suggest is that your assertion that these types are somehow representative of mainstream Christianity as a whole is stupid and asinine. Yes, there are fundamentalist whacko Christians. They are as representative of the Christian faith as fundamentalist whacko Muslims who think crashing planes into buildings is a positive step for Islam worldwide. Devil’s advocate, **DCU** : Are you asserting that the prominent church leaders (including the Pope) who condemn homosexuality as a sin, the entire half of the major American church that split off from the other half over the gay bishop ‘scandal,’ and the half of the entire country (which is predominantly Christian) that believes that homosexuality is a sin are NOT representative of mainstream Christianity? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/256 "2004-02-13T01:30:03Z")
Here’s an important quote. Read it. Pretty much takes care of this whole argument. Gay Dodson, executive director of the Texas State Board of Pharmacy in Austin, says pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions for medical reasons–for instance, if a patient is given orders for two incompatible drugs. But “there’s no conscience clause in Texas law that would allow a pharmacist to refuse under moral grounds,” she says. There. The pharmacist has no legal right to refuse to fill the script, unless there is a possible interaction. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/257 "2004-02-13T01:30:11Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Shit, Dewey, we don’t have to go to the message boards to find idiot Christians. Let’s just look at what the biggest demoninations have to say. Do I even need to quote the Pope and several of the Bishops. I’m certain you’re aware of the problems in the Episcopal Church. Further, we can read the official positions from the [Southern Baptists](http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/pssexuality.asp), [Assemblies of God](http://ag.org/top/beliefs/position_papers/4181_homosexuality.cfm) or, even, the more moderate [Methodists](http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1324). You’re asking for a whole lotta slack for us to accept that Christianity in general is accepting of us. Were that what **gobear** was talking about, you might have an argument. However, **gobear** did not say “mainstream Christianity is less than fully accepting of homosexuality.” Instead, he suggested that extremist, fundamentalist whacko websites were representative of mainstream Christian thought. Kindly pick up your straw man and take it elsewhere. And frankly, the fact that the debate over homosexuality is taking place in the church ought to be seen as a good sign – a showing that Christians are willing to wrestle with reconciling scripture with modern notions of fairness. Just as most mainstream denominations wrestled with ordaining female clergy several decades ago, so today they wrestle with handling homosexuality. That serious debate takes place on the issue is to Christianity’s credit. The church necessarily adopts such social changes slowly, bound as it is to longstanding tradition and biblical text. That, I think, is actually a good thing in the long run: the church slows the embracing of new notions of morality, and in doing so forces us to thoroughly question whether those changes are ultimately beneficial. But the mere fact that the church changes at a speed less than what you would prefer is not a reason to slur the good name of millions of decent Christians worldwide by tarring them with the peculiar views of their religion’s most extreme adherents. **Gobear** should be ashamed of himself for doing so. You should be ashamed for endorsing that behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/258 "2004-02-13T01:39:15Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Devil’s advocate, **DCU** : Are you asserting that the prominent church leaders (including the Pope) who condemn homosexuality as a sin, the entire half of the major American church that split off from the other half over the gay bishop ‘scandal,’ and the half of the entire country (which is predominantly Christian) that believes that homosexuality is a sin are NOT representative of mainstream Christianity? No, and again, if the claim is “mainstream Christianity is less than fully accepting of homosexuality,” then I’d have to agree. But to suggest, as **gobear** does, that [RaptureReady.org](http://RaptureReady.org) and the other websites **gobear** listed are representative of mainstream Christianity is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/259 "2004-02-13T01:55:03Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > No, and again, if the claim is “mainstream Christianity is less than fully accepting of homosexuality,” then I’d have to agree. > > But to suggest, as **gobear** does, that [RaptureReady.org](http://RaptureReady.org) and the other websites **gobear** listed are representative of mainstream Christianity is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I understand that, but one could argue (and I’m not sure I fully believe this myself; I’m trying to talk this out) that the symptoms of this “less than full acceptance,” which includes answering in polls that homosexuality is a sin and voting in favor of “defense of marriage” laws, is tacit acceptance of the belief of the folks on [RaptureReady.org](http://RaptureReady.org), and encourages them and their ilk (including otherwise “mainstream” radical social conservatives) by making them believe that the nation agrees with them (_especially_ the enthusiastic passing of DOMA-type laws). Heck, I bet if you read some of their threads right now, they’d bring up the polls as “proof” that the nation is fully behind them. Granted, they’re deluding themselves, but still, isn’t that some pretty powerful encouragement, especially given that many of the louder speakers against homosexuals run the country? And if vast numbers of mainstream Christians do and believe this, could that be where **gobear** is coming from? I’m sort of developing this on the fly; I hope you understand what I’m getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/260 "2004-02-13T01:56:27Z")
> [@dutchboy208](#): > > Gay Dodson, executive director of the Texas State Board of Pharmacy in Austin. I love the smell of irony in the morning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515.md?page=14)