# Pharmacist refuses to fill prescription for abortion pill on moral grounds **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515 "2004-02-04T17:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/281 "2004-02-13T19:09:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Indeed, your assertion is disproven solely by reference to Roman Catholicism, which dwarfs by a wide margin other Christian denoiminations in the US. Roman Catholicism is many things, but a radical fundamentalist sect is not one of them. No, but they ARE radically anti-gay. Look at how the US bishops tried to conflate pedophilia with gayness. And don’t wave Dignity. The Church takes no notice of them. THe RCC’s official position is that it’s OK to be gay, just not to, you know, love another man or have sex. Npot very satisfactory to me. > [@](#): > > What I take exception to is your unfair tarring of good-hearted Christians with the beliefs of the extremists in their midst. And where am I accusing you, **Jodi** , **Jarbaby** or any of the Christian Dopers of sharing anti-gay beliefs? The facts remain is that most Christian sects regard gay relationships as inherently sinful. I am not accusing you of sharing their beliefs–but to say they are merely a noisy minority is to ignore their hold on the key decisionmakers of our nation, including Dubya, who invokes fundie language to preserve “the sanctity of marriage.” Fundies have the upper hand in this debate so far. I missed your post with the US census and CUNY figures–I stand corrected (and envious of your Googling skills). > [@](#): > > I am not suggesting that you take your status lying down, or that you cease to be vocal, or that you resign yourself to mere toleration. I am instead suggesting that you not be an asshole while working for the changes you seek. I have no wish to be an asshole, but neither will I be silent or passive in the face of bigotry. What you fail to realize that you have nothing to lose in this discussion. If gay rights collapse in theis country, you are unaffected. I, however, have my entire future at stake. You might understand why I’m vocal. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/282 "2004-02-13T19:38:28Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Yes, you did. You accused me of using a broad brush and saying that I was slamming ALL Christians. Accusing you of " Slamming all Christians" is NOT the same as Accusing of you of saying that “all Christians have the “same” beliefs” Nice try, though. > [@](#): > > In addition, “Mexicans are lazy” is not analogous to “Theists are irrational.” The former is an unfair stereotype that is demonstrably untrue. Sure it is. I wasn’t even addressing whether the statements were true or not, but I guess you missed that. I was saying that a statement like “Mexicans are lazy”, which allows for differences in laziness, paints a broad stroke like “Christians are sheep”, allowing for differences. > [@](#): > > The latter is a tautology, that is, theists are irrational because they believe in statements that contradict reason. I repeat, I’m not using “irrational” to mean they are crazy or stuoid, so if you accuse me of saying that, you’re a liar. I use it in the sense that their faith is derived from a source that is outside reason or logic. I haven’t used the word “crazy”. I haven’t used the word “stupid”. I used **your** phrases “incapable of rationale thought” and “incapable of indepependent thinking” > [@](#): > > Well, you wouldn’t, would you? You think as magically **as any other theist** , so it would not make sense for you to accuse them of lacking rational or independent thought. (my emphasis) Wow so **ALL** theists DO think magically? EACH AND EVERYONE? Bricker thinks “magically”. tomndebb thinks “magically” RTFirely thinks “magically” Jodi thinks “magically”. Damn, the irony is delicious. * * * Howzabout I make this easy for you. Howzabout we replace the comments about sheep and rational/independent thought with the following statement: **gobear** has stated that ALL theists (including Christians) “think magically”? (“magically”, of course, being an adverb, describing the way that theists think about things) ## You DO stand by that statement, correct? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/283 "2004-02-13T20:15:35Z")
> [@](#): > > gobear has stated that ALL theists (including Christians) “think magically”? > > (“magically”, of course, being an adverb, describing the way that theists think about things) > > You DO stand by that statement, correct? Absolutely. What else is prayer but magic? If you believe that there is a supernatural being with whom you can bargain to affect the workings of the universe, then you’re engaging in magical thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515/284 "2004-02-14T01:13:44Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > No, but they ARE radically anti-gay. Look at how the US bishops tried to conflate pedophilia with gayness. And don’t wave Dignity. The Church takes no notice of them. THe RCC’s official position is that it’s OK to be gay, just not to, you know, love another man or have sex. Npot very satisfactory to me. And yet you have Bill Donohoe speaking in terms of civil unions as an acceptable compromise. Look, the Vatican says all abortion is wrong, too, but a hell of a lot of Catholics don’t fully buy into that idea. While the question of how far one can go in dissenting from Rome’s official position and still be deemed a good Catholic is an interesting theological question, there is little doubt that such dissent in these types of areas are quite common. > [@gobear](#): > > And where am I accusing you, **Jodi** , **Jarbaby** or any of the Christian Dopers of sharing anti-gay beliefs? Nowhere. But of course, I didn’t accuse of you any such thing. What I did accuse you of is slurring the good name of millions of decent Christians by trying to associate them with the tinfoil-hat sects in their midst. > [@gobear](#): > > I have no wish to be an asshole, but neither will I be silent or passive in the face of bigotry. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can stand up for a more inclusive Christian church without simultaneously suggesting that most Christians are of the fundamentalist, knuckle-dragging troglodyte variety. > [@gobear](#): > > What you fail to realize that you have nothing to lose in this discussion. If gay rights collapse in theis country, you are unaffected. I, however, have my entire future at stake. You might understand why I’m vocal. Being vocal is one thing. Being an asshole is another. Martin Luther King, Jr. was vocal without being an asshole. You might take a moment to learn from his example. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-prescription-for-abortion-pill-on-moral-grounds/227515.md?page=14)