# Pharmacist's conscience and new Indiana abortion law **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850 "2011-05-14T00:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850/321 "2011-05-25T01:09:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think you have any idea what I believe. My position is not based on religious belief but on individual liberty. > > You are not asking the government to leave it between you and your pharmacist are you? You are asking the government to step in and force the pharmacist to sell you stuff they don’t want to sell you. In the absence of a law, noone has to sell you anything they don’t want to sell you. The argument has been that there is something special about pharmacists that we should be able to force them to do something they don’t want to do. > > Can we similarly force a doctor that will only perform medically necessary abortions to perform elective abortions as well? Why is it always Xtians who think they’re so special that they get to have a job that requires doing something that they don’t want to do, that they _knew_ going in was required by the job, and yet they want to not do their job and not get fired. When you call it ‘conscience’ you’re just making excuses for self-righteous asses who should be fired for not going the job. And strangely enough, they only deny meds to those people-----like women seeking any form of birth control-----who the right has an obsession with denying abortions and birth control and self determination to. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. This is a con job. If you know the job is going to require you to do something you don’t want to do, _don’t pick that job._ It’s monumentally stupid and self-indulgent to expect to get paid to discriminate against women and get a salary for it. And let’s face it, it’s Xtians who are pushing this kind of crap. It amounts to whining that they’re being discriminated against because they can’t discriminate against someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850/322 "2011-05-25T01:11:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Use any dictionary. > > Can you name anything that definitely is NOT a person? > > It’s an insentient clump of tissue. Even a four month old fetus has no sentience. “Persons” at least require some kind of sentience. > > Let’s reframe the issue this way - abortion does not cause any other living thing to _suffer_. > > I would also argue that it’s those who want to abridge the rights of others to prove that a blastocyst IS a person, not for anyone else to prove it isn’t. What about those of us that want to limit your right to an abortion in the second trimester and restrict your right in the third trimester? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850/323 "2011-05-25T01:29:26Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Why is it always Xtians who think they’re so special that they get to have a job that requires doing something that they don’t want to do, that they _knew_ going in was required by the job, and yet they want to not do their job and not get fired. When you call it ‘conscience’ you’re just making excuses for self-righteous asses who should be fired for not going the job. And strangely enough, they only deny meds to those people-----like women seeking any form of birth control-----who the right has an obsession with denying abortions and birth control and self determination to. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. I thought the example we were all working with in these pharmacist conscience cases was the pharmacist who owned their own pharmacy who refused to stock or dispense the drug. I have not heard anyone defend a pharmacist’s right to refuse to dispense drugs and not get fired for it. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850/324 "2011-05-25T01:57:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I thought the example we were all working with in these pharmacist conscience cases was the pharmacist who owned their own pharmacy who refused to stock or dispense the drug. I have not heard anyone defend a pharmacist’s right to refuse to dispense drugs and not get fired for it. Yeah, what if he’s the only pharmacist in town? Then he shouldn’t be a pharmacist and let somebody else take over the business who will. Or he should do his job. Don’t take the job if you won’t _do_ the job. The huge glaring elephant is that these guys—and at least two idiot women that I know of----only want to deny _women_ certain medication. If he’s the owner, he should be required to put a huge sign in the window that says what he won’t sell. His biases will become pretty clear, and I’m pretty white guys won’t be on the denied list. Originally said by Damuri Ajashi: > [@](#): > > What about those of us that want to limit your right to an abortion in the second trimester and restrict your right in the third trimester? Short answer? None of your fucking business. You are free, however, to not have whatever kind of abortion it is that you don’t want to have. What part of ‘my body, not your body’ is so hard to get? It’s funny how anti-choicers are so very eager to give a two-inch salamander human rights while denying as many of them as they can to the woman who actually exists, votes, lives, supports herself, and is a full human being. Let’s ignore her entirely, shall we? Isn’t that the point? You obsess over this fetus like it’s not inside a real live person, and it allows you to make women disappear-----along with their rights. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacists-conscience-and-new-indiana-abortion-law/581850.md?page=16)