# Pharmacy and Religion

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [March 26, 2010, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859 "2010-03-26T10:54:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/361 "2010-03-31T20:34:14Z")

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> [@Skammer](#):
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> The likely response would be a shoulder shrug. The pharmacist doesn’t care what _you_ do, he only is concerned with his own actions. Your actions are yours.

Somehow I think that anyone that is radical enough to get worked up about birth control pills are probably going to be bothered by the notion that their refusal to dispense biorth control pills is leading to more abortions.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/362 "2010-03-31T20:41:52Z")

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**Der Trihs** , considering the fact that my church is _led by a woman_, I can’t even take your accusation seriously. And I don’t mean that my local congregation is led by a woman (although it has been); the literal presiding leaders of my church (both of the clergy and the laity) are women. And not your strawman “self-hating women” either, but strong, liberal, feminist women (who I usually disagree with, but there you are). You, on the other hand, cling to a exaggerated characture of religion that is far more irrational and hateful than anything you rant about. And that’s the last thing I’ll say on the topic. Hopefully you’ll add more because every post makes you look more silly.

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**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/363 "2010-03-31T20:42:21Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> Geez, thats ridiculous. So you need a prescription for the pill and you can get morning after pills that have 10 times the active ingredient of birth control pills over the counter? Why don’t they just make birth control pills over the counter as well?

What **Cat Fight** said isn’t factually correct, it has a basis in fact, but the details are wrong. Plan-B doesn’t have 10 times the active as BCPs, its active ingredient is Levonorgestrel, which is a synthetic progesterone. There are many different types of BCPs on the market, and they all have different hormones in them, with most using some other combination of progesterone and estrogen analogs. While it is true you can take **some** BCPs as an emergency contraceptive, there are many you can’t take that way, and the ones that do work that way use different quantity of pills depending on the particular medication. The 10 tablets **Cat Fight** said would be too much, too little, or not work at all, depending on the brand of BCP taken.

> [@YogSosoth](#):
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> Honest question, why DOES it take so long? Isn’t it just finding the right bottle on the shelf and printing out a label?

When you drop a script off at the counter, it then needs to be typed into the computer, the insurance claim needs to be processed, the bottle found on shelf, then amount counted out, put in vial with label. Then the Pharmacist needs to check it, and run a check to make sure there are no drug-drug-interactions. If everything goes perfectly smoothly, this would take about 5 to 7 minutes of undivided attention, per an individual script. The problem comes up with the insurance not paying, or requiring more info, or something is wrong with the script, or we need to call the doctor, or the phone rings, or some comes to the counter to ask where the toilet paper is, or any of the other million things that could happen. Now, even if we didn’t have a problem with your script, there could have been a problem with the script in front of you that causes us to be backed up.

Also, even if there is no wait at all, and we are all caught up, if you drop a script off, the minimum time I’ll tell you in 15 minutes, even if I know it will be ready in 5, just because I don’t know what will happen, and it is better to be below the estimate then above the estimate.

> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> I don’t know but that how the line would be drawn in theory and greater minds than mine would have to figure out how that worked but IIRC any therapeutic use is “off label” usage and is most commonly prescribed to younger girls (I think it might have something to do with puberty). Therapeutic use is not really very common from what I can tell.

There are actually many therapeutic uses for certain BCPs that are an approved usage, and the woman’s age doesn’t have anything to do with it. Older women are prescribed BCPs for non-contraceptive purposes as much as younger women. However, the percentage is greater in younger women, especially teenagers, just for the sole reason that they might not be sexually active yet and need a contraceptive. But in absolute numbers, it is probably about the same.

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**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/364 "2010-03-31T20:42:23Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> The clear lack of respect for pharmacists on this thread is evident. The attitude seems to be, that if I have my prescription and my copay they should just shut up and give me my goddam drugs regardless of how they feel about it. As far as some people on this board are concerned, they might as well be vending machines.

Really? I think the lack of respect for the customer is more important in this situation. I do respect pharmacists. Their job is to provide me what I need, their feelings have nothing to do with it.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/365 "2010-03-31T20:50:57Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> If its not common, then are we really seeing enough harm to restrict first amenement rights?
> 
> OOOOHHHHHH!! I get it now. I guess I would be more bothered by it if there were actually an access issue but at this point it seems to be truncation of religious freedom without a sufficient state interest.

It’s quite common, but that’s beside the point - access to birth control is a constitutionally protected right, just as religious freedom is. If it’s so uncommon, we presumably wouldn’t be seeing much harm to pharmacists, either.

In those states, it _is_ an access issue. If your pharmacy won’t fill the original prescription, and you can’t go to another for whatever reason, you can’t get your prescription mailed either.

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**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/366 "2010-03-31T20:57:20Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> I never understood why birth control pills weren’t over the counter, is it the women’s lobby that want to have it covered by insurance or is it the religious lobby that is afraid that their daughters are all going to buy the pill and become sluts if they don’t make them get a prescription for it?

Hormonal BCPs have many Drug-Drug-interactions, it is not safe enough for a layperson to self-administer them. (Which is what the FDA requires for a OTC product).

Oh, and **Der Trihs** , your comments show a total lack of respect for the profession of pharmacy, not just the pharmacists who abuse their power. Pharmacists are a check on a doctor’s prescribing power, doctors only have the equivalent of one semester of pharmacology during medical school, while pharmacists have 4 years. Drugs can interact with each other in surprising ways, and if we were replaced with “vending machines”, I know there will be a rash of deaths caused by medication errors in the United States. Most times when a pharmacist catch an error, the patient doesn’t even know about it, since we get it fixed before they even come pick up their script.

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**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/367 "2010-03-31T20:59:47Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> Doesn’t that sound a bit coercive to you?

Yes. This shouldn’t be surprising, since I want to change their behavior.

> [@Bricker](#):
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> No less relevant than her original observation.

I \*\*FULLY \*\*agree. There are better places to discuss your (numerous?:p) personal failings than in here.

> [@Skammer](#):
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> Honestly, I’m not clear on what the Catholic view of using oral contraceptives for therapeutic use is. Perhaps it is permissable because the contraceptive affect is unintended; that seems reasonable but I haven’t looked into it. It doesn’t matter though, since we all agree that the pharmacist doesn’t know the purpose for the prescription. And in any case, I’m arguing that the pharmacy would not carry contraceptives at all – so the reason you want it is irrelevent; they don’t have any to give you.

Well, until the inevitable day when the majority wises up and makes it illegal to disciminitavely refuse to stock and fill legitimate prescriptions for purely religious reasons, anyway.

> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> I will stop when you stop saying that pharmacists should just fill any prescription that is handed to them.

We don’t\*. We’re saying that they shouldn’t revert to the behavior of an untrained mook. Any monkey can _not_ fill a prescription for a medically-irrelevent personal reason.

- Possibly excepting **Der Trihs** ; I’ve stopped reading his full posts in this thread and so can’t comment on their content. Honestly I kinda wish he would get off my side here…

> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> If its not common, then are we really seeing enough harm to restrict first amenement rights?

His first amendment rights are **not** being restricted. I believe **Bricker** has stated so explicitly, and he wouldn’t be inclined to look the other way.

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/368 "2010-03-31T21:10:59Z")

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> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#):
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> Hormonal BCPs have many Drug-Drug-interactions, it is not safe enough for a layperson to self-administer them. (Which is what the FDA requires for a OTC product).

They are sold without a prescription in other countries, and I have seen many arguments that the FDA’s decisions regarding what is OTC and what isn’t is less based on safety than on advocacy from interested parties.

As with all drug decisions, I want it based on science, not someone’s gut feelings and not someone’s religious beliefs.

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**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/369 "2010-03-31T21:24:40Z")

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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> They are sold without a prescription in other countries, and I have seen many arguments that the FDA’s decisions regarding what is OTC and what isn’t is less based on safety than on advocacy from interested parties.
> 
> As with all drug decisions, I want it based on science, not someone’s gut feelings and not someone’s religious beliefs.

Here is a list of drugs that have Major or Moderate interactions with Ortho Tri Cyclen Lo (first one that came to mind):  
[ul]  
Major   
\* Felbamate  
\* Isotretinoin  
\* Paclitaxel  
\* Paclitaxel Protein-Bound  
\* Theophylline  
\* Tizanidine

```
Moderate

* Alprazolam 
* Amoxicillin 
* Ampicillin 
* Amprenavir 
* Aprepitant 
* Bacampicillin
* Betamethasone 
* Bexarotene 
* Bosentan
* Carbamazepine 
* Colesevelam 
* Cyclosporine 
* Darunavir
* Delavirdine 
* Doxycycline
* Efavirenz 
* Etravirine
* Fosamprenavir
* Fosaprepitant 
* Fosphenytoin
* Ginseng 
* Griseofulvin
* Lamotrigine 
* Licorice 
* Minocycline 
* Modafinil
* Mycophenolate Mofetil 
* Mycophenolic Acid 
* Nelfinavir 
* Nevirapine 
* Oxcarbazepine 
* Oxytetracycline 
* Phenobarbital 
* Phenytoin 
* Pioglitazone 
* Prednisolone 
* Primidone
* Rifabutin 
* Rifampin 
* Rifapentine 
* Ritonavir
* Rosuvastatin
* Rufinamide 
* Selegiline 
* St John's Wort 
* Tetracycline
* Tipranavir
* Topiramate 
* Troglitazone 
* Troleandomycin
* Valdecoxib 
* Voriconazole 
* Warfarin 

```

[/ul]

Source: Micromedex

As you can see, there are many drugs listed here. IMHO, there is plenty of scientific evidence that BCPs should stay prescription only.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/370 "2010-03-31T21:29:25Z")

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Okay, this is off-topic, but I’m curious: if a woman is on Ortho Try Cyclen Lo, what is the potential “moderate” interaction with

> [@](#):
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> licorice

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**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/371 "2010-03-31T21:35:03Z")

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> [@Skammer](#):
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> Okay, this is off-topic, but I’m curious: if a woman is on Ortho Try Cyclen Lo, what is the potential “moderate” interaction with ?

I’ll continue the hijack…

> [@Micromedex](#):
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> Concurrent use of LICORICE and CONTRACEPTIVES, COMBINATION may result in increased risk of fluid retention and elevated blood pressure.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/372 "2010-03-31T21:37:09Z")

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Good to know as Easter approaches!

(Obviously jelly bean makers hate women too!)

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**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/373 "2010-03-31T21:38:43Z")

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> [@Skammer](#):
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> Good to know as Easter approaches!
> 
> (Obviously jelly bean makers hate women too!)

Actually they want to make them all fat so that they can be enslaved more easily. But that’s a separate discussion.

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**Author:** ![BrandonR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BrandonR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrandonR)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/374 "2010-03-31T21:50:58Z")

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Personally I don’t think a pharmacist’s religious beliefs should ever, ever get in the way of dispensing medicine. If a person has religious beliefs that conflict with performing that job, then maybe they should have picked a different career in the first place. It’d be like a Jewish person getting a job as a bacon-taster\* and then complaining when expected to do their job’s duties.

- Does this job exist and if so, where can I apply?

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**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/375 "2010-03-31T22:11:45Z")

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> [@BrandonR](#):
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> If a person has religious beliefs that conflict with performing that job, then maybe they should have picked a different career in the first place. It’d be like a Jewish person getting a job as a bacon-taster\* and then complaining when expected to do their job’s duties.

This. There is not a single, solitary pharmacist who has been licensed in the last nearly 40 years who didn’t know going in that working in retail pharmacy meant dispensing birth control pills. Going through with pharmacy school and licensing anyway, getting a job in retail pharmacy anyway, and _then_ spouting off about how it’s against your morals is…well, dumb. It would be like me spending years getting certified as a vet tech and then announcing I couldn’t clean cages because I had a religious objection to mopping up piss and shit.

And, frankly, it would be different if the people who refuse to dispense the pill were doing so because of evidence-based medicine. If there were _any_ reputable medical literature that backed up their claim the pill was an abortifacient, if they were making this decision based on any sort of actual medical issue, I could see their point. Medical ethics allow for people making judgment calls in the face of credible medical evidence. But there’s not any evidence that the bcp or the morning after pill are abortifacients. None. The refusal to sell, therefore, is both bad medicine (drawing conclusions not backed up by the available evidence) and bad ethics (letting your personal preferences work to the patient’s detriment in direct opposition to the available evidence.)

As such, I say fuck 'em. Fuck 'em in the ear with a rusty spike.

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**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/376 "2010-03-31T22:54:34Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> Making prostitution illegal is aimed at behaviour that is overwhelmingly engaged in by men. These laws are sexist, it targets male behaviour and is almost as discriminatory as refusing to dispense the pill (and if I hadn’t watched Deuce Bigalow, I probably wouldn’t have said almost). It might be worse because it is a state action that makes it illegal so you can’t legally get the services of a prostitute anywhere in the state. That is a real denial of service in a way that action by a private actor is not. Its anti-male bigotry.
> 
> There is probably a better anaology out there somewhere but its ethe best I could do on short notice.

Right. Okay. I’m out. But if any pharmacists want to refuse service, I suggest they start with some of the women in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=557263) – ‘Hi, welcome to town. Now that you’re done losing hair, gaining weight, bleeding excessively and cutting yourself and have finally found the birth control that works for you – and that you can afford – I just thought I’d let you know that you’re not going to get it from me. And I’m the only game in town. Try the internet. Hope you don’t mind the weight, I know getting out of sync for just a day might throw you off for months, making it less effective in preventing pregnancy and causing weeks’ worth of breakthrough bleeding and side effects.’

Maybe they could have a sign in the window, a crossed-out uterus or women symbol or something? At least then there’d be some warning, and decent people could avoid their store.

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**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/377 "2010-03-31T23:00:37Z")

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> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> Oh, please, this is ridiculous. First, he is not “morally opposed”; he is a bigot. He is about as moral as the Ku Klux Klan. You are trying to give their position a false respectability by making them look like people nobly making a moral stand, instead of hatemongers persecuting the same group that they’ve been persecuting for literally millennia. And second, your claim is ridiculous because it’s not the men who are being denied condoms, it’s women who are being denied contraception; you are in the position of someone trying to claim that segregation was equally racist towards whites, when in fact it was a system aimed at the persecution of non-whites. You can whine about how they’d supposedly deny condoms to men too all you like; the FACT is that it is women, not men who are being persecuted here.

Can you point to any group that didn’t oppress women in the last 5 millenia? (of course having been there for more than 1000 years).  
One-trick pony all the way.

> [@CrazyCatLady](#):
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> This. There is not a single, solitary pharmacist who has been licensed in the last nearly 40 years who didn’t know going in that working in retail pharmacy meant dispensing birth control pills. Going through with pharmacy school and licensing anyway, getting a job in retail pharmacy anyway, and _then_ spouting off about how it’s against your morals is…well, dumb. It would be like me spending years getting certified as a vet tech and then announcing I couldn’t clean cages because I had a religious objection to mopping up piss and shit.
> 
> And, frankly, it would be different if the people who refuse to dispense the pill were doing so because of evidence-based medicine. If there were _any_ reputable medical literature that backed up their claim the pill was an abortifacient, if they were making this decision based on any sort of actual medical issue, I could see their point. Medical ethics allow for people making judgment calls in the face of credible medical evidence. But there’s not any evidence that the bcp or the morning after pill are abortifacients. None. The refusal to sell, therefore, is both bad medicine (drawing conclusions not backed up by the available evidence) and bad ethics (letting your personal preferences work to the patient’s detriment in direct opposition to the available evidence.)
> 
> As such, I say fuck 'em. Fuck 'em in the ear with a rusty spike.

What’s the science on selling whatever damn you want for whatever reason you want so long as you follow the law?

As to the spike, I don’t think it would be possible: you never let go of it

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**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/378 "2010-03-31T23:12:11Z")

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> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#):
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> What’s the science on selling whatever damn you want for whatever reason you want so long as you follow the law?

What’s the science on reading for comprehension? The complaint was that their reason for refusing to sell was based on scientific ignorance, on _top_ of an aversion to chemical abortion. The statement was that if they weren’t compounding religious foolishness with scientific foolishness, their choice to withhold sales wouldn’t be so annoying. **Obviously** , comments on how they have a right to sell stuff have no bearing whatsoever on the complaint of how stupid they’re being in doing so.

That said, I think she was giving these people too much credit. I think most of them oppose contraception because they want to control other people’s behavior - I think that not wanting to aid and abett abortion has little to do with it. They don’t want to support/permit the perceived-as-slutty _lifestyle_.

Which is why I see it as being about as morally defensible a position as wanting to force people to go to church against their will. Heck, I personally could accept a first-amendment argument _against_ them - they are using a government-licenced position to restrict and oppose lifestyles contraindicated by their religion; they are using their government-licenced position to enforce the policies of their religion on their customers. And this is legal now?

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/379 "2010-03-31T23:19:36Z")

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> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#):
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> Here is a list of drugs that have Major or Moderate interactions with Ortho Tri Cyclen Lo (first one that came to mind):

How does this compare with OTC meds, especially ones with lots of warnings like cold or allergy meds?

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pharmacy-and-religion/533859/380 "2010-03-31T23:29:29Z")

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> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#):
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> Can you point to any group that didn’t oppress women in the last 5 millenia? (of course having been there for more than 1000 years).

The other groups in question are gone, or changed drastically. The US government doesn’t follow the law of the Roman empire, nor is it a continuation of the RE; so the Roman Empire’s behavior has nothing to do with it. But Christianity has a consistent 2000+ year history of being against women.

> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#):
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> One-trick pony all the way.

In other words, I’m right so you’ll try to distract from that by calling me a “one trick pony” instead of arguing.

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