# Phi Again

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 3, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479 "2004-01-03T16:02:34Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/1 "2004-01-03T16:02:34Z")

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> **[why did Adam have reproductive organs](https://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-did-adam-have-reproductive-organs.80273/page-4#post-1487015)**
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> We were meant to know, that is the only way for Life to progress.
> Life must pass through death, once, in order to continue growing eternally.
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> One of...

Shriek!! :eek:

With friends like these…

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**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/2 "2004-01-03T17:09:38Z")

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I am clue, I haven’t a sorry what you’re talking about.

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**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/3 "2004-01-03T18:04:19Z")

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Me neither. Please rant more specifically!

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**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/4 "2004-01-03T18:19:17Z")

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Christian math trying to explain the realtionship between Jesus and man, great. Some things are better left in their small obscure corner of the net.

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**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/5 "2004-01-03T19:21:45Z")

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Fucking-A, man. I’ve had it–I’m going to start carrying around a green foam rubber bat to whack people in the crotch when they start making bizarre mathematical assertions.

“Pi isn’t a constant cause we can’t ever know it’s value…” THWACK!  
“.99… can’t be equal to 1 because it goes on forever…” THWACK!  
“These equations are deep and mystical, man…” THWACK!

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**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/6 "2004-01-03T20:21:24Z")

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Sigh! And people wonder why I prefer Atheists and pagans to Christians!

CJ

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**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/7 "2004-01-03T20:24:11Z")

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He is corrupting Commander Data!

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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/8 "2004-01-03T20:32:29Z")

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We once had a poster **hiryuu** who, like Pythagoras on 'ludes, found the Secret of Life and the Universe in _phi_, apparently the value of the Golden Mean. His attempts to “prove” his hypothesis were tantalizingly close to comprehensible, though evidently by no means anywhere near convincing if they had been comprehensible. 🙂

Perusing parts of Christian Forums (which does have a fair number of eminently sane people, including a few from here – notably **lel** , whom I think has a deal with the Internet domain providers for a membership on any bulletin board/message board they license! 😉 – and **Dr Lao** ), I spotted someone with the same inclination, and linked, putting it in the Pit as remarks on numerological bizarreries deserve opportunity to be ranted at.

I don’t get why people are firmly convinced that any religion requires believing three impossible things before breakfast – but seeing stuff like this begins to give me an idea of the sort of perspective that “those crazy ideas” engender in others.

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**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/9 "2004-01-03T22:58:31Z")

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Phi is called the golden ratio as it was believed to literally be the ‘divine proportion’ in the 16th century and ever since there have always been people trying to attach mystical significance to it.

So at least they have a good pedigree.

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**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/10 "2004-01-03T23:49:17Z")

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Firstly, this reaffirms my belief that you should have to have a license to shown you’ve passed a basic test in thinking before you’re allowed to talk crap about irrational numbers.

Secondly, while I agree many religious people think a lot of nonsense about numbers and God, there unfortunately are athiesitic numerlogists.

Third, there’s enough really amazing facts about irrational numbers without making any up!

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**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/11 "2004-01-03T23:54:21Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Siege \*  
> \*\*Sigh! And people wonder why I prefer Atheists and pagans to Christians!
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> CJ \*\*

Sadly, I’ve heard plenty of drivel from Athiests which makes me cringe. I’m at the point of trying to figure out which ones are worse. As for pagans, hey, more power to ya people!

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**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-again/222479/12 "2004-01-03T23:56:18Z")

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Atheists…Atheists…I’ll go write it 100 times on the nearest chalkboard ::smack::
