# Phi Factoids. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 6, 2001, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177 "2001-12-06T05:49:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/1 "2001-12-06T05:49:33Z")
Rather than revive my old debate thread, I will start a thread that merley gives you factoids about Phi, and how it is faster than light. I don’t want to come off as a troll, I just want to share, some new information I came across. Here is a connection to how Phi is connected to faster than light phenomenon. Phi = (sqr5+1)/2 = 1.61803 And phi = (sqr5 - 1)/2 = 0.61803 As we can see Sqr5 is integral in generating the Phi power-series. Now, 2.236067977 is THE SQUARE ROOT OF FIVE!!! The square root of five is ITSELF a Tangent; the Tangent of 186234.09485. Which is the SPEED OF LIGHT IN AIR!!! The speed of light in a vacuum is 186282.5894 miles per second, but when light travels through air, it is slowed down to 186234.09485 miles per second. You see The Square root of Phive is connected to the speed of light. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/2 "2001-12-06T05:55:47Z")
^^ Your calculator must be in degree mode to do this. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/3 "2001-12-06T05:59:36Z")
Phi, curiously, can also be expressed all in phives as: 5 ^ .5 \* .5 + .5 = Ø ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/4 "2001-12-06T06:44:24Z")
> [@](#): > > the Tangent of 186234.09485. Which is the SPEED OF LIGHT IN AIR!!! Not true. Not always true, anyway. The speed of light differs depending on the density and composition it is travelling through… and “air” isn’t a constant. Thusly, your theory is fatally flawed (but we already knew that). ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/5 "2001-12-06T07:05:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > the Tangent of 186234.09485. Which is the SPEED OF LIGHT IN AIR!!! > > Not true. Not always true, anyway. The speed of light differs depending on the density and composition it is travelling through… and “air” isn’t a constant. Thusly, your theory is fatally flawed (but we already knew that). \*\* I think Here-Are-You means the speed of light in extremely Phi-nly Phi-ltered air, if you could Phi-nd such a thing. Phi-re off a reply if you Phi-ll (alternative pronunciation) like it. I do like the equivalent arithmetic derivation of phi: _ **NEWS BREAK** _ 78 - 75 = 3 AND 1 + 2 = 3, too! Film at eleven! ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/6 "2001-12-06T07:29:53Z")
It still shows that Phi is connected to the speed of light via the Sqr5. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/7 "2001-12-06T07:37:29Z")
> [@](#): > > It still shows that Phi is connected to the speed of light via the Sqr5. So? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/8 "2001-12-06T08:05:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > The speed of light in a vacuum is 186282.5894 miles per second, but when light travels through air, it is slowed down to 186234.09485 miles per second. > > You see The Square root of Phive is connected to the speed of light. No, sqrt(5) and phi are dimensionless numbers. The numerical value of the speeed of light depends upon the units of measure (miles per sec). If you use units like seconds and light-seconds, you get 1 light-second per second. So, is 2 is twice as fast as light? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/9 "2001-12-06T08:12:34Z")
I should also point out that scientific measurements are traditionally measured with with metric system, not the English system. Tell me, Hiyruu, what happens if the speed of light is measured in, oh, kilometers per second? Or meters per second? Does PHI still add up? Answer: No. It doesn’t. In essence, you are reaching the conclusion you want by changing the numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/10 "2001-12-06T08:14:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrMatrix \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Hiyruu \* > > The speed of light in a vacuum is 186282.5894 miles per second, but when light travels through air, it is slowed down to 186234.09485 miles per second. > > > > You see The Square root of Phive is connected to the speed of light. > > No, sqrt(5) and phi are dimensionless numbers. The numerical value of the speeed of light depends upon the units of measure (miles per sec). If you use units like seconds and light-seconds, you get 1 light-second per second. So, is 2 is twice as fast as light? \*\* I am just saying that the numbers are connected. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/11 "2001-12-06T08:19:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*I should also point out that scientific measurements are traditionally measured with with metric system, not the English system. > > Tell me, Hiyruu, what happens if the speed of light is measured in, oh, kilometers per second? Or meters per second? Does PHI still add up? > > Answer: No. It doesn’t. In essence, you are reaching the conclusion you want by changing the numbers. \*\* How am I changing anything? It isn’t my fault that it works out in miles per second. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/12 "2001-12-06T08:23:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > It still shows that Phi is connected to the speed of light via the Sqr5. > > So? \*\* Well, it is connected by a tangent, which is pretty significant in trigonometry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@The\_Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tim)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/13 "2001-12-06T08:35:22Z")
Main title Numerology, by Underwood Dudley. Numbers aren’t magical, you can’t just claim reality works in a certain way because your nifty little numeric coincidences demand it. I can establish that 666 has to do with the speed of light (I will tomorrow when I’m not as tired). While this may make some sense it doesn’t mean jack shit. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/14 "2001-12-06T08:36:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*I should also point out that scientific measurements are traditionally measured with with metric system, not the English system. > > Tell me, Hiyruu, what happens if the speed of light is measured in, oh, kilometers per second? Or meters per second? Does PHI still add up? > > Answer: No. It doesn’t. In essence, you are reaching the conclusion you want by changing the numbers. \*\* [Devil’s Advocate] No, YOU’RE reaching the conclusion YOU want by changing the units. 😃 [/Devil’s Advocate] There’s a reason why miles need to be the units used: that’s how the numbers work. What our good friend **hiyruu** neglects to mention is that the square root of five is the product of the two numbers 3.077683537 and 0.726542528, which are tangental values of a particular set of numbers found in many ancient measuring systems. These numbers were named “gematrian” by researcher Carl Munck, who found the common tangents, and discovered the relationship to the square root of 5, and the fact that the tangent of _that_ value does indeed approximate a slightly-less-than-vacumm velocity of light _in miles per second_. [It’s all here](http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm). Whether it means what he thinks it means is another question. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/15 "2001-12-06T08:40:02Z")
> [@](#): > > How am I changing anything? It isn’t my fault that it works out in miles per second. But - and here’s the question that you have NEVER been able to answer - what relevance or significance does this have? The fact that two numbers coincidentally happen to be connected is an interesting bit of trivia, but nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Hiyruu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hiyruu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiyruu)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/16 "2001-12-06T08:57:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > How am I changing anything? It isn’t my fault that it works out in miles per second. > > But - and here’s the question that you have NEVER been able to answer - what relevance or significance does this have? The fact that two numbers coincidentally happen to be connected is an interesting bit of trivia, but nothing more. \*\* It shows that the speed of light is connected to Phi. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/17 "2001-12-06T09:06:15Z")
> [@](#): > > It shows that the speed of light is connected to Phi. Why, because they have the same number? So, using this logic, does that mean that the tangent of the square root of the length of my penis could show that my penis is somehow connected to the speed of a car, as long as they’re the same number and it’s measured in miles per hour? ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/18 "2001-12-06T09:07:38Z")
In other words, you’re comparing apples and oranges, just like I’m comparing the length of my penis to the speed of a car. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/19 "2001-12-06T09:10:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*\*Hiyruu \*\* > I am just saying that the numbers are connected. Only because of the units you are using. Also, the “connection” is approximate – not exact. This is silly. You could connect the speed of light to any number using functions like you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177/20 "2001-12-06T09:15:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monster104 \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > It shows that the speed of light is connected to Phi. > > So, using this logic, does that mean that the tangent of the square root of the length of my penis could show that my penis is somehow connected to the speed of a car, as long as they’re the same number and it’s measured in miles per hour? \*\* That depends…is it your car? ::d&r:: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phi-factoids/97177.md?page=2)